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Scoop 03-26-2016 10:10 AM

Green slip Question.

What happens if you fly a GS trip as a landholder but the trip is modified? Do we get GS pay protection for the whole trip or only GS pay for the legs flown and then pay protected at straight pay for legs not flown?

Thanks Scoop

Scoop 03-26-2016 10:11 AM

Green slip Question.

What happens if you fly a GS trip as a lineholder but the trip is modified? Do we get GS pay protection for the whole trip or only GS pay for the legs flown and then pay protected at straight pay for legs not flown?

Thanks Scoop

trustbutverify 03-26-2016 10:21 AM

ALV+15 should never have been allowed in the contract. That provision along with other givebacks in C2012 were the true beginning of the appeasement mindset that brought us POS2015.

To the posters that are defending ALV+15, what I’m basically hearing is “it doesn’t affect me so it’s not a big deal”, or in Scoops words “way overblown”. That’s pure BS reasoning. ALV+15 is clearly affecting some portion of the seniority list and if it affects one person, that’s one person too many, because our contract allows it. Do you think that if manning levels become much tighter due to the pilot shortage folks are talking about that the company won’t take full advantage of ALV+15 on a more widespread basis? Is anyone in DALPA actually tracking how often it’s happening today?

Yes, there were some other gains like 5+15 but as I said in an earlier post, items like that only serve to bring reserves up to an even playing field with the other 85-90 percent of the pilot group – not really a gain in my book, rather correcting a ****ed up previous situation. And yes, we do realize CA’s are on reserve as well and I’d bet there are some of those CA’s that take issue with contractual BS like ALV+15. The reason some senior folks are bidding reserve now (and not only in vacation months) is because of another flawed practice called the RAW bucket system, which IIRC was some side letter between the company and team appeasement... but that’s another debate altogether. Take the new RAW bucket system, eradication of the weekly FAR flight time limit replaced by the 30 in 168 rest BS, and add the ALV+15…suck it up junior reserve guys, you’ll be fine. Problem is, it’s all a productivity give that affects every one of us whether we acknowledge it or not.

Bobman80 03-26-2016 11:00 AM

[QUOTE=Scoop;2096978]Green slip Question.

What happens if you fly a GS trip as a lineholder but the trip is modified? Do we get GS pay protection for the whole trip or only GS pay for the legs flown and then pay protected at straight pay for legs not flown?


You will get straight pay for the original rotation and double pay for what you actually

Jughead135 03-26-2016 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2096921)
One of our biggest, if not the biggest, concession of C2012 was switching to 30 day summer months - this dwarfs the potential ALV+15 issue in my opinion.

I've heard this before, but I don't understand it. What is the issue having (how does it hurt us to have) 30-day summer months?

Kjazz130 03-26-2016 11:30 AM

Newbie reserve question. I have read section 23 and still don't understand when I am eligible for long call or conversion to short call.

I have a trip from 28-31 March (OE). I have 6 days of reserve starting on 1 Apr. I was alerted today that I have been given a reserve rest period from the end of my rotation on the 31 (2038) to 2 Apr (0238) (30 hrs). Am I eligible for assignment at 0238 or am I eligible for 12 hr call out at 0238, meaning the earliest trip I can be assigned would be 1438 on the 2nd?

I'm happy to have the time off I just want to know what to expect. I also thought I read something about having to be notified by 1500 the day prior for any assignment. Does that mean 1500 on the 1st?

Thank in advance for the help.

The Cavalier 03-26-2016 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 2097013)
I've heard this before, but I don't understand it. What is the issue having (how does it hurt us to have) 30-day summer months?

One thing is that it is 1 less day off at a minimum each of the those months for reserves. Moved the extra day off to months with lower ALVs where the lower ALV likely equals an extra day off anyway due to the sliding scale.

scambo1 03-26-2016 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 2097013)
I've heard this before, but I don't understand it. What is the issue having (how does it hurt us to have) 30-day summer months?

Because summer is our heaviest flying, in effect, it allows the company to require 1/30th fewer pilots. 13000/30=433. So, 433 fewer pilots on the seniority list than was required prior to the change.

MikeF16 03-26-2016 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by Kjazz130 (Post 2097028)
Newbie reserve question. I have read section 23 and still don't understand when I am eligible for long call or conversion to short call.

I have a trip from 28-31 March (OE). I have 6 days of reserve starting on 1 Apr. I was alerted today that I have been given a reserve rest period from the end of my rotation on the 31 (2038) to 2 Apr (0238) (30 hrs). Am I eligible for assignment at 0238 or am I eligible for 12 hr call out at 0238, meaning the earliest trip I can be assigned would be 1438 on the 2nd?

I'm happy to have the time off I just want to know what to expect. I also thought I read something about having to be notified by 1500 the day prior for any assignment. Does that mean 1500 on the 1st?

Thank in advance for the help.

They can either assign you short call or a trip beginning at 1238. If you are commuting, you can inform crew scheduling that you will be unavailable for the 1st 2 hours of your short call period. For details see pages 74 and 75 of the scheduling reference handbook.

MOTOJOE 03-26-2016 06:30 PM

does anyone know can you watch movies from the pilot rest facility on the b777 in the two chairs in front of the bunks?


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