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Flying Elvis 02-14-2015 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 1825726)
I don't believe that's true (proration)--I think it's 50 hours during the initial "sick year" (start date through May 31), regardless of length.

You can check pretty easily in iCrew....


Check out the table in 14.D.1.f. of the PWA.

illini90 02-14-2015 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by illini90 (Post 1825776)
After a reroute today, I lost my 30 hr layover that I needed to make my next trip work. Instead, I have a 9:01 layover tomorrow night, with a DH the next day. If I take a later DH, I don't get my 30 Hrs. So my question is, can they give me a 9:01 layover? What is the minimum, since it is an east coast trip that will most certainly get delayed?


Little help? Thanks!

bohicagain 02-14-2015 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1825783)
I thought I'd seen, perhaps, the worst movie ever yesterday when I sat through the new SpongeBob flick with my kids.

I was wrong.


Was it this one
http://www.joblo.com/images_arrownew...number%202.JPG

sailingfun 02-14-2015 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1825704)
I would call it what it is...Compensation based on the past 12 months financial performance. Which means it's impossible to predict and impossible for the NMB to quantify (or account for) in future years of a contract.

Carl

So it's at risk compensation! We agree on something!

Check Essential 02-15-2015 03:56 AM


Originally Posted by illini90 (Post 1825776)
After a reroute today, I lost my 30 hr layover that I needed to make my next trip work. Instead, I have a 9:01 layover tomorrow night, with a DH the next day. If I take a later DH, I don't get my 30 Hrs. So my question is, can they give me a 9:01 layover? What is the minimum, since it is an east coast trip that will most certainly get delayed?


Originally Posted by illini90 (Post 1825823)
Little help? Thanks!

Need more information to answer your question. Its a bit convoluted.
The answer is yes they can give you a 9:01 layover if it meets the rest requirements for all the surrounding flight duty periods and the contractual break in duty requirements. Keep in mind that deadhead only periods are not flight duty periods but deadhead segments occurring at the beginning or middle of the period are part of the FDP. When they are at the end of the FDP then they are not.

You do realize that if a reroute causes your next trip to "not work" because of 117 rest issues, then you are pay protected. That would normally be considered a good deal. Let them take your 30 hour break.
You might have recovery obligations though. It depends. We would need a lot more detail to give you the answer you are looking for I think.

illini90 02-15-2015 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1825862)
Need more information to answer your question. Its a bit convoluted.
The answer is yes they can give you a 9:01 layover if it meets the rest requirements for all the surrounding flight duty periods and the contractual break in duty requirements. Keep in mind that deadhead only periods are not flight duty periods but deadhead segments occurring at the beginning or middle of the period are part of the FDP. When they are at the end of the FDP then they are not.

You do realize that if a reroute causes your next trip to "not work" because of 117 rest issues, then you are pay protected. That would normally be considered a good deal. Let them take your 30 hour break.
You might have recovery obligations though. It depends. We would need a lot more detail to give you the answer you are looking for I think.

Ok..thanks for the answer, I appreciate it. I guess we'll see what the day brings...

S3toHerk 02-15-2015 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by illini90 (Post 1825865)
Ok..thanks for the answer, I appreciate it. I guess we'll see what the day brings...

I agree. If you needed the 30 hours rest in 168 hours to be legal to fly the 2nd trip, and they take your 30 hours away you can't fly the 2nd trip as scheduled. You will be pay protected. They may break up the 2nd trip into a segment you can fly. I think they can put you on a DH on the last leg that puts you over 168 hours.

daldude 02-15-2015 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 1825797)
Watched the movie 'American Sniper' today with my bride. Never before have I been in a movie theater that remained as quiet as it did for the entire movie.

Yes the directors technique of having no music or sound at the end and during the credits was very effective.

Carl Spackler 02-15-2015 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1825850)
So it's at risk compensation! We agree on something!

Here's where you and DALPA are so disingenuous: Yes, profit sharing is "at risk" compensation, but so is every other word of our PWA. Our hourly rates are "at risk" compensation. Our JV scope production balances are "at risk" job protections. Our furlough protections are "at risk" job protections. Our hearts continuing to beat is an "at risk" activity.

Singling out profit sharing and describing it as the exclusive "at risk" portion of our contract is being done for the specific purpose of lowering its value in the minds of pilots. If you and DALPA are successful at doing so, it will be easier for the MEC administration to call it a victory when they use a reduction in our profit sharing to fund hourly rate increases. Key to this strategy is the tactic of a constant drumbeat of devaluing profit sharing. Once again, here is how I answered your question of what we should call profit sharing in front if the NMB:


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1825704)
I would call it what it is...Compensation based on the past 12 months financial performance. Which means it's impossible to predict and impossible for the NMB to quantify (or account for) in future years of a contract.

It's a powerful status quo item that gives us tremendous leverage...if we were represented by a labor union.

Carl

thinkstraight 02-15-2015 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1825909)
Yes the directors technique of having no music or sound at the end and during the credits was very effective.

People actually stood up and clapped at the end when I saw it. It added even more emotion to the end of a great story.


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