Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

As with many things in this biz, youll know the answer when you retire. But as someone jr to you.....I feel strongly that your best option is jumping ship.

MD88Driver

05-09-2015 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1876823)

So Delta keeps buying ownership in other carriers where they get up to 50% of the profits. Some of these airlines can operate widebodies cheaper than Delta. Is this not another alter ego flying problem? Delta cuts international capacity and parks widebodies. Organic international growth hasn't been seen for some time at Delta while other airlines are getting 777-300's that are "too big to work on our network" according to RA.

Shouldn't ALPA be asking that we all write letters to our government officials and send with the letters to block the middle eastern carries because it's taking american jobs?

To add insult to injury, the money Delta spends on these subletted flying operations is money that would have gone into Delta pilots profit sharing checks.

Delta Air Lines, Inc. Partners With Aeromexico To Expand Flight Operations

Ed,

I fully agree with all of the above but the last statement. I believe the purchase of a % of another airline is a balance sheet transaction, not a P&L transaction. It would be similar to taking money out of your savings account to purchase a new car; it wouldn't effect your current pay but instead the assets under your name.

Somebody with more accounting experience please correct me if I'm wrong.

qball

05-09-2015 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1876613)

Anyone who is even thinking that trading PS for rates in section 6 is a good idea is nuts. How about we negotiate our PAY and get an agreement. If they want to change PS we can talk about that once we have a contract signed.

We don't need to fund our contract gains with givebacks in PS when RA has seen his pay increase 700% and Delta is pulling in more than a BILLION per quarter.

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THIS!…and no more large RJ's…not one

Dirtdiver

05-09-2015 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1876877)

Okay, I give up. WHO did?:)

I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress.

Denny

Denny Crane!

Evidently I gave you your dollar ride in 38s! Ran across it in a box of OLD AF stuff when I moved. Would post it on here, but it includes porn.:D

TenYearsGone

05-09-2015 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1876840)

Carl has been screaming about this for years. Delta the ticket broker airline. This is why once American and United get rolling we'll be number 3 and stay there. 5 years here and I'm still wondering if I should jump ship to United or American. 777-300's and 787's.

NWA was a ticket broker too. As a business owner you have to ask yourself, "If I can make 50% profits with minimal liability and less use of own assets using partnerships, should I?" The answer is HELL YES! That is why RA is getting paid what he is getting paid. As long as RA is in town, our mainline international growth will be in the form of network growth via JVs, code shares and investments like GOL, AM, VA, KLM/AF. Am I missing anything?

TEN

Schwanker

05-09-2015 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1876959)

NWA was a ticket broker too. As a business owner you have to ask yourself, "If I can make 50% profits with minimal liability and less use of own assets using partnerships, should I?" The answer is HELL YES! That is why RA is getting paid what he is getting paid. As long as RA is in town, our mainline international growth will be in the form of network growth via JVs, code shares and investments like GOL, AM, VA, KLM/AF. Am I missing anything?

TEN

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What are you missing? China is on the horizon. Just think how well those Chinese carriers could feed our domestic network:rolleyes:

RockyBoy

05-09-2015 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by qball (Post 1876937)

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THIS!…and no more large RJ's…not one

I probably shouldn't say this, but I'm almost fine with more large RJ's......it's the JV's that I'm worried about.

The RJ problem will self correct itself in the next few years with the shortage of pilots to fly them, the JV deals mean no more WB growth for Delta.

Purple Drank

05-09-2015 04:53 PM

Yep. Look at the MSP base.

That's the future of Delta if we roll over on JVs.

A domestic 757 base with a couple token 767 flights...soon to be eliminated in favor of a 737 base. I was there the other day and AF brought in an A340 for the CDG run.

To be honest, I'm fine with that. As long as we get a sh!tload MORE MONEY and MORE TIME OFF. Otherwise, RA can take his JVs (under which he has proven to be as untrustworthy as Iran) and shove them.

qball

05-09-2015 05:27 PM

[QUOTE=RockyBoy;1876969]I probably shouldn't say this, but I'm almost fine with more large RJ's......it's the JV's that I'm worried about.

The RJ problem will self correct itself in the next few years with the shortage of pilots to fly them, the JV deals mean no more WB growth for Delta.[/QUOTE

True dat...especially with the "drive an 18 wheeler through it proctections our JV has...now apply that to the small end "you fly some big RJs if we can have a bunch more at DCI".
Why would DALPA want in any way to hurry a deal...time value of money and all that being on our side...especially RE profit sharing.

I'd much rather live with status quo (at least for this fiscal year) rather than fund a COLA raise with PS and productivity concessions.

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