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DFW Refugee 05-19-2015 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 1883805)

The removal of offline flights as a viable commuting option is a huge negative for NYC especially. What percentage of NYC based pilots use an offline commute as part of their plan with a Delta backup? How many former Dallas pilots commute on American with a Delta backup?



That would include me. Since the wife is a 'Sky Goddess' with AA, I get a higher priority for boarding and better intel on seat availability. Still, it's a very 'sporty' commute, and getting harder.

DFW


Jester41K 05-19-2015 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 1883805)
Does anyone else find the timing of the rewritten Commuting Policy in the FOM (Ch. 11, Sec. 5) a bit suspicious? Maybe DALPA has a plan for some concessions to restore the status quo.

The removal of offline flights as a viable commuting option is a huge negative for NYC especially. What percentage of NYC based pilots use an offline commute as part of their plan with a Delta backup? How many former Dallas pilots commute on American with a Delta backup?

How many pilots are stuck with an AE from the last few bids they would not consider under the revised policy? I'll start the count at 1.

Delta doesn't even fly the LAX-DEN city pair.

Flamer 05-19-2015 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1883925)
The FOM guidance for not extending on FAR117 also changed in the same revision.

It looks likes he company expects us to extend as long as necessary, up to the max. Electing not to extend appears to be subjected to the same harassment as calling in "fatigued." Can anyone confirm this?

Sounds like another status quo violation.
Where's Dalpa to call out this crap?

When you make it harder to commute, you sure make it harder to extend. Just sayin.

FmrFreightDog 05-19-2015 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1883925)
The FOM guidance for not extending on FAR117 also changed in the same revision.

It looks likes he company expects us to extend as long as necessary, up to the max. Electing not to extend appears to be subjected to the same harassment as calling in "fatigued." Can anyone confirm this?

Sounds like another status quo violation.
Where's Dalpa to call out this crap?

I asked my rep about this same thing not to long ago and he pointed me to an interpretation from 2014 that clarifies this (Anderson interpretation). I didn't ask for permission to quote the conversation, so I won't repost it, but here's a link to the interpretation:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf

Long story short, the way I read it is that, unless we specifically negotiate provisions regarding extensions, then the company is free to do what they are doing. Sucks, but it's not ALPA's fault.

Flying Elvis 05-19-2015 12:45 PM

Quick newbie non-rev question as the fam heads out on a trip tomorrow. Buddy-quette says "relaxed" dress code. Clean jeans and sneakers OK even if they get upgraded?

We're pretty conservative dressers in general and everytime they've traveled before even the kids have been in what would qualify in the FOM for business attire. But this time it's to a very casual destination and we're trying to pack as light as possible. I'm going in jumpseat-legal clothing just in case, but I figure no reason to pack another set of clothes and shoes for everyone else if not needed.

badflaps 05-19-2015 01:16 PM

The agent will decide if you are upgradable, I have seen shorts and deck shoes no socks, in first.(Intl). Normally jeans and a golf shirt will get you there.

PilotFrog 05-19-2015 01:20 PM

Why even have an extension if you can just force one to take it.


Sent from my crib.

cni187 05-19-2015 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1883925)
The FOM guidance for not extending on FAR117 also changed in the same revision.

It looks likes he company expects us to extend as long as necessary, up to the max. Electing not to extend appears to be subjected to the same harassment as calling in "fatigued." Can anyone confirm this?

Sounds like another status quo violation.
Where's Dalpa to call out this crap?

Man either quit or join DALPA

cni187 05-19-2015 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 1883858)
Yes, I understand the FOM is outside of the contract. I just find the timing of a stricter commuting policy interesting. Post two AE bids that involve making commuting decisions, then change the policy right before the most difficult time of year for commuting. Maintaining the status quo in the contract, can then be considered a "win" at the negotiating table for DALPA.

NYC is the most difficult base to staff and also has the largest number of offline commuters. Who is the genius that decided to make offline commuting less desirable? Many NYC commuting plans include a mix of JetBlue and American with Delta backups. Under the new policy American and Jet Blue are no longer options the company considers viable.

Uh commuting is a choice remember. What if the company just up and said we all had to live in base? What would you do then?

flh57 05-19-2015 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1884054)
Uh commuting is a choice remember. What if the company just up and said we all had to live in base? What would you do then?

If the company banned commuting then the NYC base would have to close.


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