There is a LOT of heat on IMEX even being renewed at all. While its more or less a partisan issue (most dems and a few neocons uniting behind it as a crony capitalist slush fund jobs program) there's over 200 congressional signatures already in favor of our call to action on it, with a large percentage of dems as well. It is VERY much in jeopardy. We have a very good chance of either killing it entirely or at least taking the emerati's Bank of Boeing welfare check out of it. That'll be funny too, because while they talk smack about "taking our planes back" (empty threat) if they ever did move to penalize us in any way, things would not work out well for them. Their biggest stick would be to lock us out of their bases which provide the vast majority of their regional defense.

We need to keep the pressure up but its looking like we have a good chance of taking those megalomaniacs down a few notches.

I know it's likely everyone sees this, but notice how sailingfun starts off with stating pilot costs from forms computed by Delta, but ends up showing the same discredited MIT study as his source.

Then sailingfun discusses how contract 2012 vastly increased pilots costs by gathering data from an outside study that...ends in 2013.

Here's what the sailingfun's refuse to admit: We made some gains in pay rates in C2012, but we also agreed to significant concessions that offset those pay rate gains. It offset it to the point where Ed and Richard called the pilot's contract cost neutral and the additional savings could be used to invest in initiatives that benefit other employee groups at Delta.

Carl

What were those concessions Carl? It was not manning. It is obvious to anyone who can read the monthly reports from crew planning or just pick up the phone and call crew planning.
I think it really bothers you that ALPA nailed it with the timing on contract 2012 putting us in a near perfect position for this contract.
You would have preferred that we were mired in the NMB process like so many other airlines so you could puch your DPA agenda.

Talk about deflection? Good lord. If the argument is simply whether our contract value has gone up since 2012, you would have to be a 911 truther to not understand that our costs have gone up at least 500 million dollars (excluding profit sharing expense). Math? 20 plus million for percent of pay, plus 5:15 adg (reserve part was huge) DC percent etc.

Just like the statements claiming what the NMB did or didn't say to the MEC... You are way off base. You have second hand information. There were also multiple presentations, some at the BOD where only reps in that committe were present.

My info was first hand.. Yours was not.

Didn't we have profit sharing concessions? We also had scope concessions again. Remember in order to get the 717 aircraft we had to give up larger RJ aircraft to the regionals and the company said 50 seaters would be phased out quickly..Last I have seen the 50 seaters are still flying around.

Well if adding 717's to the mainline is a concession then that would be correct. The company has phased the 50 seaters out faster then expected and met or exceeded what is required by the contract. I believe they plan a final number between 100 and 125 and they are allowed 150. The number of potential 76 seaters was reduced in the contract however the total number of 70 plus 76 seaters was increased.

I wouldn't normally jump into a Carl/sailing debate, but c'mon man.
Sometimes you post stuff that is just blatantly wrong and misleading.

There were numerous concessions in C2012 that reduced manning. I'll just remind you of the biggest one. The one that really hurt us the most and really burned me up because we gave it away for zilch:

Turning July and August into 30 day months.
That was a HUGE win for management. Those two months have always been the drivers of pilot hiring. The summer was our pilot job creation machine. Not any more. ALPA fixed that little problem.

Go back and read my other posts. There were offsets to those changes that kept any manning losses to a very small number the biggest of which was counting all known absences for when a reserve was full. Again crew planning did not make any manning assumption changes with contract 2012 and the monthly reports show there was no pilot job loss relative to block hours flown. The result is the hiring we have seen.

We interrupt the sporty debate for a public service announcement....

Wait, in 2014 Delta hired the most pilots in company history due to mainline growth but concessions, Scope give aways, and job loss from 30 day months is being brought up?