Sailingfun can't even call them "concessions." Management has directed him to label them "offsets."

Yes. This modification in isolation has a very negative impact in staffing.

In isolation is the key word. Fortunately DALPA demanded and got concessions from the company in other manning areas.

If you insist on calling them concessions (and some of them, like the 30 day summer months, clearly are, and I refer to them as such) then can you at least have the intellectual honesty to admit that the company has also agreed to "concessions" as well?

For example, while I still hate the 30 day summer months, in the "good ol' days" of whatever era you choose to dredge up, any month in which a reserve had vacation, mil leave, etc, they got hosed and hosed good. You could have your big week or more summer vacation, and the company could fly you to ALV in the three (or less) weeks remaining!

Now we all have our own personal level of a reserve being full for those months with VTS. That is a big, big improvement to the contract.

I haven't even gotten into the 5.15 ADG that applies to both regular and reserve. That is probably the biggest "concession" that the company has ever given us and it all stemmed from the Part 117 side letter. Please acknowledge that as well.

Assumptions going in:

717s were coming anyway negotiations should only cover pay rates on any new plane...not whether the plane is being bought.

Profit sharing funded "raises" all other increases were inflation adjustments to bankruptcy rates.

The company now does have more planes than at the merger, in numbers. There are significantly fewer of the biggest jets.

Hiring frenzy is at least 80% a result of retirements...compare post merger to current day.

30 day months account for a 3% manning cut.

DALPA neither demanded or got anything except furlough protections. They only got lucky with a smokey back room promise of growth vis a vis 717s. They caved hard on scope.

Our gauge is smaller.

New hires, don't get caught up in what happened before you got here. Whether it is better than the military or your last regional/airline has nothing to do with whether concessions occurred. We have fallen far. It was way better before, do not be afraid to vote it back to how it was and should be.

I am sure I have left some things out that were clear concessions in my view. Did some good come? Absolutely. Not nearly enough.

You really need to get on the phone with flight operations and let them know about the windfall in manning they don't seem to know about.
As far as big airplanes we don't control the fleet plan. As of 31 June 15 we will be down a net of two large airframes. Widebody block hours however which is the key to jobs are up.

I don't know the about manning on a macro scale, but I just finished an 88 hour domestic reserve month because of the +15 hour concession, which was sold as a help to the company in international categories. It affected my wife's manning :rolleyes:

Standing by for Sailing to quote the contract surveys......

Yes.... So where exactly are those survey results???

Working to FAR max rocks!!!