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Purple Drank 04-28-2015 12:07 PM

I'm trying to figure out if sailingfun is purposely attempting to deceive us, or if he really is that clueless.

Drone 04-28-2015 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 1869994)
Thanks, should have been more specific. Its 4 man and I talked to a LCA type who suggested short, long, long, short with the TO/LDG crew doing the first and the third break so that they're rested and only in the seat for about 2.5 hrs before descent and landing. That sounds good to me as opposed to 2 long breaks. Thoughts?

I believe it is a 3-Pilot crew during the Summer. Block time back is 11:45.

forgot to bid 04-28-2015 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1870080)
There was nothing in my contract survey about those.

If section 1 ever came back in the TA with those permitted, what possible reason would I have to even consider blaming ALPA?:rolleyes:

I blame us. We probably all asked for a pay raise and this is how we pay for that raise.

sailingfun 04-28-2015 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1870172)
I'm trying to figure out if sailingfun is purposely attempting to deceive us, or if he really is that clueless.

I am so clueless that everything I said about contract 2012 has come to pass. Everything you said? Well at least it's good we did not have the massive furloughs you assured us were coming. I have also asked you twice to man up and put some cash behind your statements about what I said, one of which was to directly go to the emergency fund and your answer was complete silence!
Did you not totally blast a statement I made about seeing 1000 new Captains by the end of the contract. We are passed that number today and climbing!

gzsg 04-28-2015 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1870028)
Trans States and Skywest both have the MRJ set for deliveries in the next 24 months. Our scope clause prohibits these aircraft outside of mainline. This article says that negotiations are underway right now. Funny, but I've not heard anything about it from our CBA...

ANALYSIS: MRJ and E2 face contract hurdles? at US majors - 4/27/2015 - Flight Global

I expect lots of concessions, but agreeing to one ounce of additional RJ scope relief would be ALPAcide.

flyallnite 04-28-2015 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1870192)
I expect lots of concessions, but agreeing to one ounce of additional RJ scope relief would be ALPAcide.

Yet it appears that scope concessions are going to be part of any deal presented to us, if this article is to be believed. The fact that TSA and SKW have both aircraft already ordered would lead me to think that a deal has been informally agreed upon, and the details are all that's left. After all, our 717 order was contingent upon our agreeing to a contract. Here it would appear that agreement, in principal, has already been reached... these orders are booked.

Mesabah 04-28-2015 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1869891)
How does one comment on this riot without sounding racist?

When there is some humor to be had. But in all seriousness, what's happening is over a government that is out of control, I don't support it, but I understand it. If it keeps up, the whole country will be rioting, not just in the poor areas.

scambo1 04-28-2015 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1870214)
When there is some humor to be had. But in all seriousness, what's happening is over a government that is out of control, I don't support it, but I understand it. If it keeps up, the whole country will be rioting, not just in the poor areas.

What's going on there is criminal. It's not civil disobedience. I wouldn't blame anyone for protecting their property, but I know the court of (insert acronym/public opinion) would spin it to destroy the man defending his property.

Bless their hearts.

badflaps 04-28-2015 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1870214)
When there is some humor to be had. But in all seriousness, what's happening is over a government that is out of control, I don't support it, but I understand it. If it keeps up, the whole country will be rioting, not just in the poor areas.

You haven't lived till you see machine gun mounted jeeps on the street corners (1968). Hey GI! You got gum?

sailingfun 04-28-2015 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1870197)
Yet it appears that scope concessions are going to be part of any deal presented to us, if this article is to be believed. The fact that TSA and SKW have both aircraft already ordered would lead me to think that a deal has been informally agreed upon, and the details are all that's left. After all, our 717 order was contingent upon our agreeing to a contract. Here it would appear that agreement, in principal, has already been reached... these orders are booked.

You do know that those deals were inked years ago. Before the last round of contracts the same talking points were being put out stating that all the unions would cave and everything under 120 seats would be flown by the regionals.
What you have are several regional managements with a bunch of aircraft on order they can't fly. They don't want to pay the cancelation penalties and are pursuing every avenue they can to find a way to fly them.


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