Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

I may be a naive optimist but I don't see any Scope relaxation being put to a TA, or even close to passing if it came to MEMRAT. The line has been drawn at 76 seats - lets keep it there.

Scoop

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1870277)

What does the fact that the company wants to monetize our PS tell you? It tells me that they think they will be able to monetize it for less than its worth. We would be fools to agree to monetize PS.

We are only talking about a possible three year deal. Lets ride PS for all its worth while times are good. Eventually the profits may hit a hiccup but I am willing to bet my PS that it will be more than three years out.

Scoop

I'm with you Scoop.

scambo1

04-28-2015 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1870277)

What does the fact that the company wants to monetize our PS tell you? It tells me that they think they will be able to monetize it for less than its worth. We would be fools to agree to monetize PS.

We are only talking about a possible three year deal. Lets ride PS for all its worth while times are good. Eventually the profits may hit a hiccup but I am willing to bet my PS that it will be more than three years out.

Scoop

I'm with you there.

Carl Spackler

04-28-2015 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1869882)

Carl, 229,000 is the average SWA captains pay.

Excellent sailingfun, that is correct and it's from the SWAPA document to AirTran pilots that you always called propaganda...even though everything in that document was exactly correct. Average SWA captain pay back then was at about 230K and average SWA copilot pay was at about 160K making the average around 195K. That makes it much higher than our 181K average. It also makes you wrong again when you tout the nonsense of Delta pilots having the highest average salaries.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1869882)

Even SWA in the propaganda piece did not try and make any such claim.

Still calling it a propaganda piece while you cite it when it suits you. Got it.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1869882)

That was right at the number they used for Captains. With the overstaffing and lack of growth and no movement on a contract amendable before our last one they are now making less.

No, they are not. They are making more due to more captains and copilots going to higher longevity steps.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1869882)

All you have to do is go back and look at the SWAPA document regarding their pay and work rules and think about it for 10 seconds and you would know that number is incorrect.

See above.

Carl

Carl Spackler

04-28-2015 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1870100)

The whole CDO thing came up however because a significant number of pilots were lobbying their reps to allow them. They flew them at a prior airline and wanted them back.

No, that's not why they came up fud. No matter how many times you spout this, it will never make it true. Very few pilots lobbied anyone for them. The negotiating committee did it on their own thinking it might work as a concession that pilots wouldn't care too much about. They thought wrong.

Carl

DeadHead

04-28-2015 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1870277)

What does the fact that the company wants to monetize our PS tell you? It tells me that they think they will be able to monetize it for less than its worth. We would be fools to agree to monetize PS.

We are only talking about a possible three year deal. Lets ride PS for all its worth while times are good. Eventually the profits may hit a hiccup but I am willing to bet my PS that it will be more than three years out.

Scoop

Monetizing Profit-Sharing is the same as REDUCING Profit-Sharing. The two are one in the same. I refuse to get lost in the word semantics of tactical public negotiation.

I've communicated my profit sharing concerns to my local reps, and they have assured me that it wasn't even in either side's openers. Essentially, no one is talking about reduction in profit sharing. Many on here have quoted the same basic sentiment, moreorless.

So, if monetized profit-sharing is somehow in the TA, I would love to know how it went from non-existent and into fruition overnight.

Personally, my prediction is that the TA will reduce, not monetize, profit sharing by shifting the 10% threshold above 2.5 billion to a much higher threshold (5 billion for example).

I truly hope I am off in my assessment. I'll hold of criticism and arguments until we have a TA in hand. No point in getting spun up on conjecture and rumor.

Carl Spackler

04-28-2015 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1870140)

I don't like to speculate on anyone's identity, since this is an anonymous board, but I wouldn't bet against you or PD on this.

I think it's OK to speculate on whether one anonymous poster is really the same as a previous anonymous poster.

There's no question bender is tsquare, I just can't imagine why he/she just doesn't bring back tsquare.

Carl

GunshipGuy

04-28-2015 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1870278)

Exactly right. There are professional anarchists in Baltimore.

I've heard this a few times in the past two days. What I haven't heard is who's supporting these anarchists?

Carl Spackler

04-28-2015 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1870172)

I'm trying to figure out if sailingfun is purposely attempting to deceive us, or if he really is that clueless.

Sailingfud has simply been targeted by a series of managers who've been trained by Ford & Harrison. You feed the targeted line pilot "inside" information that is almost always wrong, but you make the targeted line pilot feel important. Slowly you get the targeted line pilot to feel like he's part of the management team and they become a communications asset to you.

It's how you handle a union these days. You use its own members and leaders to do your work for you.

Carl

Hrkdrivr

04-28-2015 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1870120)

That grass will still be there tomorrow!

(That's what I tell my wife).

Now... what you could do is...cut the grass with that Highlander.

Two birds, one stone! :D

Excellent idea about the Highlander!

Between the links you guys posted and the "Taildragger" thread, I spent a good chunk of my afternoon watching airporn on YouTube.

Carl Spackler

04-28-2015 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1870188)

I am so clueless that everything I said about contract 2012 has come to pass.

Nothing you've said about C2012 has come to pass sailingfun. Nothing. Your predictions prior and after have never come true. Accuracy is something you don't do.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1870188)

Well at least it's good we did not have the massive furloughs you assured us were coming.

Nobody has said that sailingfun. You continuously accuse people of having said that, but only you have said it.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1870188)

Did you not totally blast a statement I made about seeing 1000 new Captains by the end of the contract.

Show me this statement of yours sailingfun.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1870188)

We are passed that number today and climbing!

Did you mean past? :rolleyes:

Carl