Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1882015)

AA vs DL CORRECTED PAY

CAPTAIN
AA Pay Group AA DL 12 yr 12 yr 5 yr 5 yr
V B747 307.76 270.25 -12.2% 291.62 256.09 -12.2%
IV B777 293.11 270.25 -7.8% 277.74 256.09 -7.8%
IV B787 293.11 258.90 -11.7% 277.74 245.19 -11.7%
IV B767-4 290.11 255.28 -12.9% 277.74 241.86 -12.9%
IV A330 290.11 255.28 -12.9% 277.74 241.86 -12.9%
III B767 249.30 226.21 -9.3% 234.29 212.58 -9.3%
III B757 249.30 226.21 -9.3% 234.29 212.58 -9.3%
II B737-900 234.67 218.05 -7.1% 221.81 206.48 -6.9%
II B737-700/800 234.67 216.92 -7.6% 221.81 205.56 -7.3%
II A320/319 234.67 209.31 -10.8% 221.81 198.23 -10.6%
II M88/90 234.67 205.56 -12.4% 221.81 192.46 -13.2%
I B717 153.65 195.19 27.0% 145.54 184.91 27.1%

FIRST OFFICER
AA Pay Group AA DL 12 yr 12 yr 5 yr 5 yr
V B747 210.20 184.59 -12.2% 186.92 164.14 -12.2%
IV B777 200.20 184.59 -7.8% 178.02 164.14 -7.8%
IV B787 200.20 176.83 -11.7% 178.02 157.17 -11.7%
IV B767-4 200.20 174.35 -12.9% 178.02 155.04 -12.9%
IV A330 200.20 174.35 -12.9% 178.02 155.04 -12.9%
III B767 170.27 154.50 -9.3% 150.17 136.26 -9.3%
III B757 170.27 154.50 -9.3% 150.17 136.26 -9.3%
II B737-900 160.28 148.93 -7.1% 142.18 132.34 -6.9%
II B737-700/800 160.28 148.16 -7.6% 142.18 131.77 -7.3%
II A320/319 160.28 142.96 -10.8% 142.18 127.06 -10.6%
II M88/90 160.28 140.40 -12.4% 142.18 123.36 -13.2%
I B717 104.93 133.30 27.0% 93.30 118.53 27.0%

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1882026)

The Delta rates are still wrong. You need to go to the live contract for the current rates.

Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1882070)

Is it only on the ALPA website? I just looked and those are the rates on the live contract....

Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1882098)

Quick B6 JS question -- I'm using them as a backup to get home tonight, should I list for their JS now or wait until I miss my primary commute home?

Not sure if they are Delta-esque and don't care if I don't show, or UPS-style where they'll hold a grudge if I don't show. If I make my primary flight I probably won't have time to cancel my listing before I have to turn my phone off since the connection is very tight. The flip side is I don't know if there is a latest time where I can try to list for the B6 JS -- by the time I miss my primary commute I'll be within a couple hours of the B6 departure time.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1881973)

Or perhaps it was because the NWA rates were lower then the Delta rates to start with. To have brought the rates above the Delta rates would have resulted in all the funding that was available going to NW pilots only. As it was the NW side received higher pay raises then the Delta side. Had the NW side received all of the money the joint contract would have not been ratified. The NWA reps fully understood this. The compromise was bigger raises for the North with equipment banded in pay. All and all a reasonable and smart approach.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1882026)

The Delta rates are still wrong. You need to go to the live contract for the current rates.

Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1881815)

Here's the scope update from NYC tonight.

"Scope Compliance and Analysis
Delta currently operates 784 mainline aircraft. SkyTeam consists of 20 member airlines. In 2012, Delta Connection operated 348 50-seat jets; in 2015, Delta Connection operates 179 50-seat jets. There has been a 27 percent reduction in Delta passengers on ALK since the last quarterly report."

So we would hope DALPA is concerned about all areas of our scope. Let's see...
Skyteam / JV: Check (although neither of those numbers really mean much)
Alaska: Check (although we have AS mgt to thank for that gift - ALPA had nothing to do with it)
50 Seaters: Check

It seems like there's one little section of scope that was left out. Not sure they would be so malevolent as to do it on purpose, unless we are about to see a TA with MORE concessions in this area. Some hints:
- It's a certain aircraft size bigger than 50-seaters and smaller than Alaska
- We traded some doomed-to-fail 50-seaters for them in 2012
- The manufacturers start with C and E

Anyone? DALPA?

Originally Posted by Bananie (Post 1882383)

So we added more 76 seat aircraft and then hired 1,600 pilots. Do you have a point?

Originally Posted by Bananie (Post 1882383)

So we added more 76 seat aircraft and then hired 1,600 pilots. Do you have a point?