I could say without the deal we would have hired 0 and then we both are making up numbers we know nothing about. At least I admit what I don't know. We can all create hypotheticals but the reality is Delta pilot jobs increased since 2012 when almost all the APC crowd predicted we would shrink and lose mainline jobs. You were wrong about that. But now you are for sure right with your made up numbers.

Although I think it is somewhat disingenuous to attribute any job gain specifically to C2012 like ALPA implies on the website, I also agree that it is just as disenginious to claim exactly what would have happened sans the contract, or any event for that matter. There are plenty of those statements "the 717s were coming anyway" "we would hired more" "we would have got a better deal if...."

No way to prove any of those statements to be wrong and I guess that is the beauty of living on that side of the argument, you can be a message board hero with all the right answers with no real accountability. It is a lot like fans in the stands who have all the right play calls... "If we would have just passed instead of running the ball......"

Thanks, the MyIDtravel is fairly clunky. Funny that I've been here for over 6 months and I only recently learned about the web site. That would be a useful thing to introduce at INDOC. I will allow for the fact that there was so much info it is possible this was brought up and I just forgot :).

So all these guys extolling the virtues of C12 are fine living under it for a few more months, right?

No rush. Wind the clock.

No you don't. In fact, you purposely misstate what you know to be false. See below:

All the APC crowd? I can't remember a single post on APC that predicted we'd shrink and lose jobs after C2012. You know that's wrong, yet you claim it anyway. That's Sailingfun behavior right there dude. Hey, wait a minute...

He never said it. You're the only one saying it. YOU were wrong to allege it.

You're not exactly starting out with a bang ace.

Carl

I got a carry-out trip that begins on 1 July and ends 4 July (82 hours for the month...). I am going to try and PD it on the 20th and have a question.

When I bring up the "pilot reserve levels" for the 02 June bid period it shows 5 reserves required, 1 available for 1 July. However, when I bring up the raw schedule, there are 9 people on reserve the 1st of July. Can somebody explain the discrepancy? Seems like scheduling is cheating to try and force people to fly on the holiday.

Not a single post that predicted job loss after contract 2012?

Strange. I pulled up my category's PBS awards, and the number of pilots with an RES day on July 1 exactly matches the number of reserves available showing for that date in DBMS.

You might call the Scheduling Committee on Monday and ask them to look into the discrepancy.

The reserves available number used to be adjusted based on the amount of open time. I know there have been some changes in the system but I think that is still the case. There are 8 trips on open time on the first.

I had the same problem as a NYC based guy awhile back. One thing to check is whether all the guys on reserve that day are done with IOE or not. They may not show as shadow those days, but until they are signed off, they won't show as available WRT the reserve levels/reserve availability list.

As the month passed and folks get signed off, the numbers should improve, hopefully enough to drop at some point.