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Check Essential 06-19-2017 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 2381624)
Maybe we are getting the 50th Anniversary edition ��

Georgia is offering Delta a break on registration fees and emission standards.
Same as the deal you get when you register antique cars.

gloopy 06-19-2017 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Bluto (Post 2381647)
I think it's just the fact that Boeing appears to be trying to force the Max into the 757's role. A stretched 737 with 230 passengers sounds like too many people in too little airplane to me. And I even kind of like the 737.

What's the difference in size between the 73 and 75 tubes? The way ppl fawn incessantly over the 75 implies its a comfortable giant to ride in but as a pax they suck every bit as bad. Ever land in the back of a -300 and have to wait to deplane? Makes a -900 look like a private jet. No one cares about time to climb except us.

Mesabah 06-19-2017 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2381492)
We simply have to defend the pilots in question on this type of nonsense. Retroactive digital footprints that fail to prove an affirmative defense after the fact is simply an indefensible way to go after anyone, even if they probably deserve it.

Process matters, and its simply asinine to discipline someone because they lack a provable affirmative defense. We cannot tolerate that, not now not ever. If someone is a punk (thief, dirt bag, low life, etc) and they acknowledge SC knowing there is zero chance they can make it, I have little sympathy for them and think they should be punished. But this is not the way.

Make a (fair and reasonable, but appropriate) example out of those special few who walked that tightrope without a net and fell. But a "you couldn't retroactively prove you commuted in the past therefore you're fired" is an attack so heinous and unreasonable that if we didn't defend it, we'd be coughing up some serious DRF dues in those guy's future suits against the association.

This is so clear and obvious and egregious even the least competent, over worked, mentally checked out, bow tie wearing, pony tail public defender would be all over it. ALPA has to be too, because they can not be allowed to go after anyone, for anything, in this fashion.

To fire someone in a union position requires proof, and said crewmember lying about it. If these pilots would have owned up to it, they probably would have kept their jobs, with severe disciplinary action.


Never ever lie to management, you lose all job protections.

qball 06-19-2017 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 2381685)
Georgia is offering Delta a break on registration fees and emission standards.
Same as the deal you get when you register antique cars.

The Champagne Edition will come with crushed velvet seats, red line tires, vynil top and optional NDB.

ERflyer 06-19-2017 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by ExAF (Post 2381630)
I've never tried to move vacation (other than a slide) and want to move a week of vacation from Oct to Sep. I put in a vacation move up bid specifying the move to a particular week. Is that the only way to accomplish that and when would the bid be processed? It was tertiary vacation award if that makes a difference. Thanks.

That's the only way I have done it.

They close on the 1st and are awarded by 1800 of the 4th. All bidding dates are in the bid packages, page 3. (And the PWA.)

tomgoodman 06-19-2017 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 2381711)
The Champagne Edition will come with crushed velvet seats, red line tires, vynil top and optional NDB.

And a pair of styrofoam dice to hang from the mag compass. :p

gloopy 06-19-2017 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2381697)
T
Never ever lie to management, you lose all job protections.

I don't know what they said or didn't say. Probably neither do you. But that's not the point here. Not being able to retroactively prove your innocence doesn't prove your guilt. Ever.

We simply have to defend against the methodology of that nonsense. That's not even a defense of the idiots who cheat the SC system. Its a defense of all of us and of the process in general. Whats next, a sick call assault where they data dump years of "big data" in your lap and say "now prove you really were sick?"

Even if every single guy accused in this little creative sting operation is 100% guilty, this methodology of going after them cannot be allowed to stand.

Scoop 06-19-2017 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2381749)
I don't know what they said or didn't say. Probably neither do you. But that's not the point here. Not being able to retroactively prove your innocence doesn't prove your guilt. Ever.

We simply have to defend against the methodology of that nonsense. That's not even a defense of the idiots who cheat the SC system. Its a defense of all of us and of the process in general. Whats next, a sick call assault where they data dump years of "big data" in your lap and say "now prove you really were sick?"

Even if every single guy accused in this little creative sting operation is 100% guilty, this methodology of going after them cannot be allowed to stand.


I admire your passion in defense of fellow Pilots and agree 100% that they get the presumption of innocence and also paid for and deserve a robust defense. The problem here is that the facts are not really in dispute, even DALPA say this, and I have heard that at least one of them admitted being out of position.

Now that the union has released a statement on this your CPO will probably be willing to talk about it. In any case I am done discussing this since it is still ongoing. Not really worth arguing about while its still being adjudicated - eventually we will get the straight scoop.

Scoop

Mesabah 06-19-2017 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2381749)
I don't know what they said or didn't say. Probably neither do you. But that's not the point here. Not being able to retroactively prove your innocence doesn't prove your guilt. Ever.

We simply have to defend against the methodology of that nonsense. That's not even a defense of the idiots who cheat the SC system. Its a defense of all of us and of the process in general. Whats next, a sick call assault where they data dump years of "big data" in your lap and say "now prove you really were sick?"

Even if every single guy accused in this little creative sting operation is 100% guilty, this methodology of going after them cannot be allowed to stand.

I don't know what was said, but I was NWA mgt in a previous job, and I can tell you they went by the book, and with accordance to the law. The company can hire, and probably did hire a private investigator to follow the pilots.

marcal 06-19-2017 11:32 AM

I have a reserve questions for the gurus....

I start a 2-day block of reserve tomorrow. I was not assigned a trip by 3pm today, nor was I assigned short call. I always have been given one or the other. Am I basically off tomorrow, and they have to assign me something by 3pm tomorrow for the next day? Can they put something on my line at 1201am tonight with a 1001am report, etc? Thanks.


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