Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1723356)

Sorry to pick on you, Alan... I know a couple of others have made the same point but I just happened to read yours last so you get to be the lucky one.

I don't think anyone has made the argument that DALPA is motivated to achieve less than THEY THINK is possible. The difference of opinion is in terms of what is possible or not.

Clearly, the prevailing opinion within DALPA over the past 10 years has been that bankruptcy was a reset and that our profession (and by extension, our careers) are simply less valuable in the marketplace today than they were for decades prior to bankruptcy and there's nothing we can do to change that. Based on this assumption (which I think is completely wrong), they have not set an objective to restore the value of our profession but rather only to try and get incremental, "reasonable" gains "at every opportunity" to the new baseline that was established via bankruptcy. The Rich Harwood's of the world have prevailed with a bean counter mentality that clearly favors management's overemphasis on cost control and completely dismisses the long established value of our profession.

I also think that is a big source of the apathy and disunity we are experiencing. I have no doubt it's a big part of the reason why DPA was able to get thousands of pilots to send in a card.

And that is the crux of the problem I have with DALPA. No objective to restore our profession and our careers. Their only apparent objective is to get some vague level of "improvements," which could be satisfied by ANY improvement no matter how small. That, my friend, is a weak and ineffective objective.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1723414)

You could've at least added a puppy or kitten picture into the text.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1723386)

I'll take Rich Harwood's work if he was all but passed out drunk over anybody the doughnuts could put up. Who do you think would do a better job for us, and how would they do it? "Motivation" and goals only get you so far. Good grief.

Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1723434)

backdoor: you pull up the last bid award, and then replace the date in the URL with today's date. 140909. I couldn't backdoor it.
pb4ufly, what date did you use? I can only get the authentication page...

Originally Posted by MCFlyer (Post 1723422)

new guy...

What's backdoor?

Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1723434)

index, I don't see any front door postings, where?

Originally Posted by index (Post 1723441)

OOPS! I was looking at July 30th awards. Doh! Sorry.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1723429)

Here we go again...;)
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I'm going to be about 10.42% shy of 2004 pay adjusted for inflation this year*, **. (INCLUDING if I had the DPMP premiums covered 100%, and life insurance imputed income covered).

Outside of the purely cash I'll have better:
Reserve Rules
Reserve Pay
JV scope (nonexistent in the PWA until 2012)
RJ scope
Equal pay for Res and lineholder
Vacation Slide
Vacation Any
15% DC in MY name (which will be millions better than the DB in the end)
$700k+ in life insurance

To your point in bold, I'm getting close (and I can't be the only one, I don't try all that hard).... I bet we see big gains that DO exceed the C2K times with C2015.

It's more than a simple number on a pay table; to quote someone I know:

"it comes down to how many days I have to work versus how much money I make"


*I'll actually earn .08% MORE than C2K 2004 inflation adjusted straight up, but I worked an average of 1 day per month more than the C2k average.
I worked 13.83 days/mo, C2K was 12-13 avg. per month
**I am a domestic pilot, Int'l. pilots will probably need a larger percentage increase to meet/surpass C2K.