That is some rich irony. :eek:

Me too. We've got that in common. :)

I'll have to go back and look at that post when I have more time. But I don't remember anything I wrote that could even remotely be interpreted that way. It certainly isn't what I was saying. I think you read into it what you wanted to read into it.

No it's not. My "advice" on that has nothing to do with being represented by ALPA or not represented by ALPA. It is simply advice, based on my experience and observations, designed to keep a new hire out of trouble in the first place.

I've seen first hand how management takes a dim view of anyone who is critical of ALPA. Openly supporting DPA is obviously critical of ALPA. I simply don't think that's something that would be smart for a probationary pilot to do at this company. I'm not surprised that some here would try to spin it in an effort to play "gotcha."

It's not a question of being jaded or not Alan. It's what Moak said. No spin, just his quote. He's had ample time to clarify, and he's not done so.

Carl

To be exact, the $$$ were not quoted as to what they were related to. I do agree that it's past time for classification.

Thus the predictable responses from alfaromeo, slowplay, shiznit etal. Even if they were inclined to tell the truth, they simply can't.

Carl

Wow. Way to miss the point entirely there Mr. T. I never said a word about executive compensation. Your reading comprehension is what sucks here. I said that our executives negotiate their compensation package, as do we. I asked, when they do, do they factor in the feelings of their non-executive "coworkers" when they make their "demands"? Of course they don't. But, according to you, we should be very concerned about how we are viewed by our non-pilot co-workers when we are seeking contract gains.

There are a LOT of things that we should consider/factor in to the crafting of our opener next spring. How it will affect the "reputation" we have with our non-pilot co-workers, OR how "arrogant" they will view our position should NOT be one of them!!!

So, why not take a break?? Geez, you're on here every fricking day, pretty much all day. Turn of the computer and re-read Flying the Line. See if you can find the part about our predecessors worrying about offending their non-pilot coworkers in their contract negotiations. Report back.....after a healthy break.

Oh I think you're giving solid advice. It's still ironic though in my opinion.

I love that one. First of all, he doesn't represent "crew members." He represents PILOTS.

Who the hell else would he be advocating for, if not for pilots? Compensation is important. Wow. No ****, sherlock.

Why would he need to say that, unless there was another constituency he was trying to please that didn't include pilots?

What I find ironic is that the company is so supportive and protective of a union (ALPA) when they are so anti-union with the other employees. I guess they've got a pretty good deal going with a solid partner to help them keep their pilot costs low and the pilot group relatively happy at the same time. :eek: