Originally Posted by index (Post 1707237)

How do you know that is accurate? Because DALPA says so?

I'm not sure what Check Essential means by "any connection to DALPA", it seems pretty broad.

Are you saying that Mr. Private Writings does not now hold, or hold at the time of the "hacking," any ALPA office, whether appointed or elected? Or that Mr. Private Writings was not an "ALPA Volunteer" in any capacity at the time his "thoughts of a personal nature" were "intermingling" with DPA's website?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1707550)

ALPA would never hack DPA's website...

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1707550)

ALPA would never hack DPA's website because it is the greatest tool ALPA has to counter what miniscule amount of support they still have. As DPA has become more and more irrelevant their website rantings have become more and more unhinged. It is a virtual treasure trove of false and misleading statements that just destroys what little credibility the DPA leaders have left.

If anyone has any doubt what this lawsuit is about, just follow the money. The attorney for DPA is the same attorney who got fired at USAPA after running up millions in legal bills and never once negotiating even a single penny of pay raises for US Airways pilots. After milking that cow dry, he moves on to a new group of pilots who have felt the pain (as we all have) of a terrible decade in this industry and plays off their pain and insecurity.

So now DPA attorney finds a new group of pilots to suck money off of, and this lawsuit is just the vehicle for removing money from pilots wallets and putting it into the lawyer's boat payment. If there were any evidence that ALPA had anything to do with this, the DPA would have sued ALPA because they have money. Instead, they invent this John Doe case which is about to get blown out of the water, despite the stupid DPA rhetoric about a "great victory in court." Remember, their great victory was something that had already been offered by ALPA many times. ALPA was more than welcome to hand over any information they had as long as the pilot was protected from being publicly trashed by DPA before he had his day in court. (which will never come by the way, because DPA is about to get squashed). Gee, what a concept, a union that wants to protect their pilots instead of trying to publicly attack them.

Remember, this same DPA attorney filed a lawsuit against US Airways pilots under the RICO act; the same act that is for the Mafia and other organized crime. The lawsuit was dismissed, then filed again, then dismissed again. So DPA attorney gets millions in legal fees and the only thing the union accomplishes is to drag 18 union members into court and trash them. That is really what I think a union should do. Instead of negotiating for pay raises, they should just sue their own members to ensure that the attorneys make tons of money.

In my opinion, if you send money to DPA, you are being duped by a slick talking attorney who is firing up his shrinking base of support to give more money so it can all end up in his pocket. There is no one left who thinks DPA has any chance whatsoever to become the bargaining agent here so exactly what is their purpose other than to enrich the attorney.

If anyone has any doubt about what this lawsuit is about, follow the money. None of it will benefit one Delta pilot in any way. So who is really benefiting? Follow the money.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1707817)

You would only agree with it being an outrage until you were given the correct spin Alan.

I've wanted to believe that you were a dispassionate analyst of fact here, but this latest full-throated defense of what Moak has stated shows me that you're just another ALPA no matter what spokesperson. Very similar to the 4 ATL reps.

Very disappointing.

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1707822)

Sorry to disappoint you, Carl. For the record, I was given nothing. I've been reading about this article for the past day or so and finally decided to read it myself.

What I posted was my own take on what I read. The fact that it disagrees with what you or someone else perceives makes it neither wrong nor right -- simply different.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1707821)

For those who don't already know, the attorney in question is Lee Seham. Lee is a very tough attorney who has beaten ALPA in court many times, and has referred to ALPA national as a wife beater and ALPA members as being the battered spouses.

So you can see that a lover of all things ALPA like alfaromeo would throw this kind of emotional tantrum. Carry on Alfa.

Carl

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1707565)

We should not squander this opportunity. The time for us to improve unity, fragmentation, successorship, work rules, and pay is while times are good. While a focus on pay is critical, it is not more critical than addressing schedules that leave us exhausted and the half of our profession who work their jobs with the constant uncertainty that their express carrier is going to be creatively restructured which will result in the loss of their longevity. ALPA is relevant and we have work to do.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1707637)

Do you think a divided pilot group (DPA) will result in a higher or lower opener from management.

Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 1707739)

On another note, with the changes in our industry and current world conditions the upcoming wide body aircraft order, IMHO will not only shock us but also amaze us in it's :)size.

Originally Posted by index (Post 1707347)

ALPA is considered about two things. Dues money and being in bed with management.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1707651)

This post says it all.

If you actually became involved, you'd find out how incorrect you are. The careers that have been saved. The lives that have been saved. It's sad that you don't even know.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1707834)

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If you would ever lower those Pom Poms Johnson, you'd know that index was a distinguished servant in DALPA.

Carl