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sailingfun 08-19-2014 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1708393)
Just read that.... I like it!

Save the whales!

I would love to see them stay but it goes against what the company put out to the MEC last week. The good news was they planned to increase the 777 and 330 time to offset the 4 whales. Also going to have 3 A330 IGW's on the property for the summer schedule instead of two. The numbers were compelling on a financial bases to park them and I suspect the rest of the fleet might get parked sooner rather then later.

BlaneO 08-19-2014 12:18 PM

Is there a certain time period you have to be an employee (30 days?) before family members can start flying standby?

80ktsClamp 08-19-2014 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1708399)
I would love to see them stay but it goes against what the company put out to the MEC last week. The good news was they planned to increase the 777 and 330 time to offset the 4 whales. Also going to have 3 A330 IGW's on the property for the summer schedule instead of two. The numbers were compelling on a financial bases to park them and I suspect the rest of the fleet might get parked sooner rather then later.

Far be it from the company to change their plans, right?

Financial bases- is that similar to Memory Rat? ;)

full of luv 08-19-2014 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by BlaneO (Post 1708400)
Is there a certain time period you have to be an employee (30 days?) before family members can start flying standby?

No, but ZED requires 6 months, on Delta, no problem.

Hawaii50 08-19-2014 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1708361)

I don't really disagree with you on that. I don't think DPA is going to ever get a vote, so I'd like to see us at least try to fix ALPA and get focused on restoring this profession instead of accepting a lower value as the standard. A monumental task for sure, but I'm not one to give up. A good start would be recalling Lee Moak after the stupid stuff he said in that Bloomberg article. Next step would be recalling my reps because they supported what he said.

I disagree that we have accepted bankruptcy rates as a reset. I know what Moak said but I think he was playing to the crowd he was speaking to. Anyways it's up to us what we want and will accept. I think it was you who suggested bringing back the pro con paper. I'd love to see that. I agree that there's too much of a sell job when we get a TA. A pro con would seem to give the negotiators a tool as well. The company would know it's all out there in black and white and bullet format for a smart pilot group to see.

APCLurker 08-19-2014 12:57 PM

Thanks for the responses scambo, slowplay, 80, mesabah, daldude.

Had heard mention in the news of the fires near Yosemite and had done some research/called the park. They said "only" the south entrance road is closed. But good points on the smoke issue, as well as the drought and lack of waterfall action. Think we have ruled Yosemite out for this trip.

Trying to find lodging has been fun......

Added Rocky Mountain National park to the list as well.

Free Mason 08-19-2014 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1708361)
Not really. $100/hour pay cut in buying power @ 1000 hours of credit per year = $100K. $100/hour cut is just about exactly where the buying power of my current rate is. I'd say that's a pretty good average over each of the past 10 years. And that's not even accounting for loss of pension benefit and other significant cost increases like cost of medical. Of course, that's somewhat offset by profit sharing... which is a relatively small drop in the bucket compared to all of the above. So I'll bet $100K/pilot/year is probably not too far off.

And BTW, I'm not suggesting we be repaid for that. I consider the approx. $1 million I've contributed so far to Delta's recovery to be water under the bridge at this point. Pretty generous contribution, don't you think? All I'm suggesting is that things should be made right going forward. In light of the restructuring of our industry (which should facilitate more consistent profits and less dramatic cycles going forward) and the record profits our company is enjoying, I think I'm being extremely generous and more than reasonable.




No doubt we're the "prettiest put in an ugly litter." But I wouldn't put my money with the guys who have accepted bankruptcy as a reset, just because they came out on top of all the other losers.




I don't really disagree with you on that. I don't think DPA is going to ever get a vote, so I'd like to see us at least try to fix ALPA and get focused on restoring this profession instead of accepting a lower value as the standard. A monumental task for sure, but I'm not one to give up. A good start would be recalling Lee Moak after the stupid stuff he said in that Bloomberg article. Next step would be recalling my reps because they supported what he said.


I talked to your Reps, and they did not characterize it the way you have on here. They all stated that there is probably more to the story, and that Lee does not negotiate for the Delta Pilots. The one Rep you love to hate, told me that if any outsider tried to tell the Delta MEC what they should negotiate, they would have them thrown from the room.

full of luv 08-19-2014 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1708415)
Thanks for the responses scambo, slowplay, 80, mesabah, daldude.

Had heard mention in the news of the fires near Yosemite and had done some research/called the park. They said "only" the south entrance road is closed. But good points on the smoke issue, as well as the drought and lack of waterfall action. Think we have ruled Yosemite out for this trip.

Trying to find lodging has been fun......

Added Rocky Mountain National park to the list as well.

APC,
Last year I was able to get a room in Grants village in Yellowstone for the week before 4th of july on two day notice. They have quite a bit of last minute canc's. That's a great place to stay as well as you can go down to Tetons / Jacksonhole for day trips as well as do the yellowstone. Great place to go with young kids with all the thermal features and wildlife to see, like a nature amusement park, with nice paths and all the kid type amenities you need, like bathrooms and concessions.
Also, did a float down the snake river in Tetons from Jackson Hole south and it was great for the kids, easy float, low risk and lots of eagles and moose to be seen from the raft.
Great time!

Carl Spackler 08-19-2014 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1708311)
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that a certification drive and vote by pilots does not appear on a court docket anywhere. That was not a court case in which there was a lawsuit filed by Seham against ALPA in which he won. You haven't answered the question.

I also do not know the answer. Get back to us when you aren't restricted by your iPhone and have the chance to provide more details.

Didn't say the certification drive was on a court docket. But there were legal challenges throughout by ALPA. But ALPA was still successfully decertified with Seham leading that battle for UsAir pilots. Also if I remember correctly, Seham won the battle for class status of TWA pilots, then was an expert witness in the trial against ALPA...a case that ALPA lost. Seham also fought a battle for some United pilots against ALPA, and I think ALPA lost that too if memory serves.

Again, my main point is the extreme vitriol for Lee Seham that you get from the ALPA insiders like alfaromeo is so interesting. If he's such an incompetent loser of an attorney, why not just ignore him. Why the extreme vitriol.

Carl

Carl Spackler 08-19-2014 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 1708314)
It should come from you and your DPA buds who are squandering money that should be being used to protect and further our careers.

Why? Don't pilots have a democratic right to seek new union representation, and donate to that end? Just like you have the right to donate to Obama and his successor Hillary.

Carl


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