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BigGuns 09-27-2014 06:58 AM

Can you pick up a trip with OE all ready assigned to it?

hockeypilot44 09-27-2014 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1735533)
Can you pick up a trip with OE all ready assigned to it?

Absolutely. That's called winning.

Alan Shore 09-27-2014 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1735215)
I bid a reserve line with last on call day being the 23rd. and 4 X days over Christmas.

Well you can guess what happened next...

Sure enough, 5pm on 23rd they call me for a 4 day trip!! :eek:

I was livid and let the crew scheduler know it. I asked him if I was at least going to get some kind of double pay or something...he said, "Nope, but we Will give you your X days back when you get in!"

So I got no extra money as I was on the old 70hr. reserve guarantee of course, and I got to work a four day over Christmas. :rolleyes:

You were inversely assigned into X-days and received no additional pay over your guarantee? That must have been long before the current reserve GS/IA pay system came into being.

duece12345 09-27-2014 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1735542)
Absolutely. That's called winning.

How early do they assign OE? I picked up a trip with a LCA rolling the dice that it would get bought. We are 9 days out and there is nothing on the rotation yet. Common?

Bobman80 09-27-2014 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1735561)
You were inversely assigned into X-days and received no additional pay over your guarantee? That must have been long before the current reserve GS/IA pay system came into being.

Not true Alan. This happened to me over Easter about two years ago, when Easter was at the end of the month. I had one day of availability and they called me with a two day. I was a Regular pilot the next month and after my one day of reserve I had off days as a regular pilot. Believe me when I say I protested. I talked to multiple schedulers and eventually ALPA. All said the same thing and my own investigation concurred. Basically, It's in the coverage sequence and uses the term " with least interruption". But that's not the best part. You will not be given premium pay of any kind. Of ANY kind. Why? Well it is not a GS, an IA, or a reroute per the definitions in the PWA. Those are the only events that trigger some kind of premium pay. Also, you won't even be given 5:15 or even 4:30 for that day since those are averages only.

In summary, I was forced to fly into an off day for about 2 hours of pay. Day one (the reserve day) had 7 hours of flying. The trip paid a total of 9 hours (since I was a reserve when they assigned it to me) leaving me with the remaining 2 hours that added to my next month as a regular pilot. Most pilots don't know they can force you to fly into off days for potentially zero pay. Zero.

cni187 09-27-2014 09:37 AM

Where's T?! Tenn is actually hanging with GA! 21-17

DARR31 09-27-2014 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by duece12345 (Post 1735589)
How early do they assign OE? I picked up a trip with a LCA rolling the dice that it would get bought. We are 9 days out and there is nothing on the rotation yet. Common?

Don't know if this helps, but I got assigned my OE yesterday and I am 5 days out from the trip start.

duece12345 09-27-2014 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by DARR31 (Post 1735623)
Don't know if this helps, but I got assigned my OE yesterday and I am 5 days out from the trip start.

So your telling me there's a chance! Thanks.

RonRicco 09-27-2014 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Bobman80 (Post 1735591)
Not true Alan. This happened to me over Easter about two years ago, when Easter was at the end of the month. I had one day of availability and they called me with a two day. I was a Regular pilot the next month and after my one day of reserve I had off days as a regular pilot. Believe me when I say I protested. I talked to multiple schedulers and eventually ALPA. All said the same thing and my own investigation concurred. Basically, It's in the coverage sequence and uses the term " with least interruption". But that's not the best part. You will not be given premium pay of any kind. Of ANY kind. Why? Well it is not a GS, an IA, or a reroute per the definitions in the PWA. Those are the only events that trigger some kind of premium pay. Also, you won't even be given 5:15 or even 4:30 for that day since those are averages only.

In summary, I was forced to fly into an off day for about 2 hours of pay. Day one (the reserve day) had 7 hours of flying. The trip paid a total of 9 hours (since I was a reserve when they assigned it to me) leaving me with the remaining 2 hours that added to my next month as a regular pilot. Most pilots don't know they can force you to fly into off days for potentially zero pay. Zero.

Two different animals. A golden star day can not be violated due to an assignment. An X day can be violated, but you are due assignment pay and your X day back.. It has been that way since at least POS96.

The transition month thing for a regular line holder is exactly as you state though. Regular off days are not protected when going from reserve to block holder. You are certainly better off in that situation to have a golden day, or at least an X day at the end of the reserve month if possible.

Mesabah 09-27-2014 11:42 AM

Windows 9 is out next week, I wonder if that will delay the DAL/9E tablet program?


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