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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1686958)
Sometimes it's more skunk then honey badger.
It's like a badger......only stankier. :D |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1687004)
You do realize UAL has higher hourly rates on some aircraft than we do today? I.e. 767-400.
And their rates will all exceed our 1/1/15 rates by 3% on 1/1/17 not 2018. UAL A 320 today $205 DAL $203 |
That's somewhat unfair. Reality is they have stepped up out of selfless/ selfish reasons or both. Out of 12000 pilots, it is the same guys always involved and that says something about us too(Maybe we need to get off our asses and get involved some). Just some shifting of committees or to rep status. They have taken the time to get involved and stay involved and know the system well and how to use it to get what "they" believe "we" should get. I think some have been doing the business so long that they have a disdain for the average pilot and how dare anyone question their judgement.
Originally Posted by TheManager
(Post 1687014)
Alpha, Buzz, et al, and the unelected, long term bureaucratic hanger ons, are basicly this:
http://www.carnival.com/~/media/Imag...gentina-9.ashx Penguins! Birds with wings for no apparent reason. See, they are even sitting on their 92 hour FPL, plus allowance, on of course the highest equipment they can hold, nest eggs! They're soooo cute. |
Originally Posted by TheManager
(Post 1687014)
Penguins! Birds with wings for no apparent reason. See, they are even sitting on their 92 hour FPL, plus allowance, on of course the highest equipment they can hold, nest eggs!
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Originally Posted by TheManager
(Post 1687001)
Not familiar with UCAL
They will already surpass us in January 2015. By January 2017, they surpass our A330 A's by $40 per hour. They are mired currently in negotiations. This is the true bell weather to watch. Gary wants PBS. Delta got it in BK for essentially free. SWAPA pilots want a considerable pay raise for it. Gary says there is no $. Pilots rightly are pointing to savings from PBS as well as revenue lost at the check-in counter vis a vis bag fees. They are not budging on PBS without considerable pay increases as they will keep trips touching for now, thank you very much. Fred Smith having same issue at FDX. Wants PBS. Doesn't want to pay up for it as DAL didn't. Then his service failures started happening and now he is changing his tune. Is the captain rep feeding this bull crap, again? I'd think the FO rep has enough intelligence to not publicly state that, but then again... Regardless, think about it. Put your RA hat on. He would never do such a thing for the reason given. UCAL is United Continental holdings. Love the Belushi avatar. :) Scoop |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1687021)
UAL 767-400 today $255 DAL $248
UAL A 320 today $205 DAL $203 |
Originally Posted by NERD
(Post 1686996)
How do we get rid of the long term bureaucrats? (Btw we had a lot of powerful behind the scenes guys at Nwalpa too) Each LEC has a election every (3?) years, so there is a way for the line pilot to affect turnover. How do we, the line pilots help in the cleansing/turnover of the committee positions?
As line pilots, we have two choices -- band together to elect enough reps throughout the system that a majority are in place to elect MEC officers who will appoint different people, or step up to volunteer ourselves and rise through the system as the "long-terms" have. No pilot starts working in ALPA with anything other than a desire to help his fellow pilot. Those with ability and desire to do more are readily identified as such by their fellow workers and wind up sticking around. It is my understanding that ALPA does not exactly have pilots beating down the doors to help.
Originally Posted by NERD
(Post 1686996)
It may be time for alpha, buzz and the gang to take a break and go fly. Whether any of us agree with their positions, we all should thank them for their time and wish them good luck.
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Originally Posted by TheManager
(Post 1687014)
Alpha, Buzz, et al, and the unelected, long term bureaucratic hanger ons, are basicly this:
http://www.carnival.com/~/media/Imag...gentina-9.ashx Penguins! Birds with wings for no apparent reason. See, they are even sitting on their 92 hour FPL, plus allowance, on of course the highest equipment they can hold, nest eggs! |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1687004)
You do realize UAL has higher hourly rates on some aircraft than we do today? I.e. 767-400.
And their rates will all exceed our 1/1/15 rates by 3% on 1/1/17 not 2018. |
Originally Posted by NERD
(Post 1686996)
My question is this. How do we get rid of the long term bureaucrats? (Btw we had a lot of powerful behind the scenes guys at Nwalpa too) Each LEC has a election every (3?) years, so there is a way for the line pilot to affect turnover. How do we, the line pilots help in the cleansing/turnover of the committee positions?
It may be time for alpha, buzz and the gang to take a break and go fly. Whether any of us agree with their positions, we all should thank them for their time and wish them good luck. |
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