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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1650170)
But hasn't the notice for short call been increased by the same two hours from 10 to 12? IOW, yesterday I got 10 hours notice for short call and could use the first two of those hours to commute. Now, I get 12 hours notice and use the same two hours (the ones from 10 to 12) to commute.
What's the difference? |
Originally Posted by Red Five
(Post 1651139)
So does that also mean that each on call day is worth 5:15? Which would either increase the overall monthly pay, or decrease the number of days on call for the month if the gaurentee in the past was, say, 72 hours? Or is it only in effect the days you actually fly?
The 5:15 ADG will be applied to your rotation the same way it is now at 4:30 ADG. Example under current ADG of 4:30: RES pilot flies a 2 day trip. Day one is 1 leg from ATL-SAV with a block of 1:05. Day 2 is one 1 leg back to ATL for another 1:10. Total block on the trip is 2:15. This pilot would receive pay/credit of 9:00, which would also reduce his RES guarantee by 9:00. As soon as this pilot reaches his guarantee for the month (which can be lower than other pilots in his category due to VTS) he is "full" for the month. Example under ADG of 5:15 which is effective for the NOV 2014 bid period: Same trip. The RES pilot now receives 10:30 (same as a REG pilot) of pay/credit and his guarantee is offset by the same amount. A :45 minute/day difference may not sound like a lot, but it will have an impact on when RES pilots throughout the system time out. RES Guarantee for every category is between 72 and 80 hours every month - and is adjusted downwards for individual pilots with VTS/ML/etc. Comparing apples to apples, just using ADG, and assuming a RES pilot doesn't credit more than ADG on any of his trips: 72 hour guarantee: ADG 4:30 - pilot has to work 16 days to "fill up" ADG 5:15 - pilot has to work 14 (13.72) days to "fill up" Difference: 2 days 80 hour guarantee: ADG 4:30 - pilot has to work 18 (17.777) days to "fill up" ADG 5:15 - pilot has to work 16 (15.24) days to "fill up" Difference: 2 days The 2 day difference is where some of the "extra 137 pilots needed" come from in the recent LOA. Again, the assumptions above are based on only getting ADG on trips. There are many reasons that a trip would credit more than ADG, so the pilot would fill up faster. Additionally, 5:15 ADG will now count on GS trips as well. The example ATL-SAV-ATL trip might have been worth around 5 hours (due to Trip credit, with a min day of 2:00) pre C2012. C2012 made that GS worth 9 hours for a RSV (with the 4:30 ADG) and beginning in November the same trip will be worth 10:30. I think we will see RES become more popular again now that trips like this are worth the same as what a REG pilot gets. The other advantage of 5:15 ADG vs DPA is DH only duty periods don't take away from an otherwise productive trip. Every day now averages to 5:15 whether the pilot flies a leg or not. This helps REG and RES pilots alike. |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1651136)
If you 'never fill up' then you are right, it won't affect you. If however you almost fill up...it will help fill you up.
5:15/dy. for 16 days flying = 84hrs. pay, I'm pretty sure that will fill you up most months and you'll still have 14 days off. Obviously the company didn't give that to us for free, the change to the SC and notifications being an example of what it cost. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1651153)
So I guess our MEC is holding firm to the concept of cost neutrality (or close to it) even in times of record sustained profits and pilots having leverage? Do we just need to succumb to the co-company/union vision of any gains needing to be offset by concessions?
Carl |
Originally Posted by Imapilot2
(Post 1651102)
To make this worse its MID TRIP! fly all day...next day fly all night....next fly all day. Man I can't do that. I'm going to be a zombie. Its one thing to end on a red eye and go home but this is crazy.
Fired by Delta with your license still clean means many other opportunities as a pilot. No license or a tainted license means no more opportunities as a pilot. Bottom line is that you can never ever compromise safety and your license by flying fatigued. Never. It's the worst career decision you can make. Carl |
Originally Posted by Express pilot
(Post 1651146)
Big difference. If you are not on day 1 of you 4 on call days. They give you a 8 am SC. You could use the 2 hr commute and be in base by 10. Come in on the 1st flight in the morning. Now you can't and you have to leave the night before.
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1651155)
What part of +38M/year and +137 pilots don't you understand? :confused:
Carl |
Originally Posted by Red Five
(Post 1651158)
Are we sure the two hour commute is only applicable on the first day now? I've used it in the past after the first day on call, but are we positive that option is now gone after the first day?
Carl |
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 1650932)
Carl,
Reread carefully the quoted C1 update: This does not infer that direction was given to pursue CDO's, but what they received was different than briefed. Remember NC direction takes place in Executive session and cannot be directly discussed. I read the C1 update as a sideways way of saying that direction was not given to pursue CDO's or was significantly different than what they were briefed on. The NC can suggest courses of action for MEC approval without waiting for direction to come up with ideas. The same ambiguity is being spun to suggest that direction to pursue CDO's was given. I don't read it that way. I suggest you call the C1 and your own Reps, and was as suggested, the NC directly. Carl |
Originally Posted by Express pilot
(Post 1651146)
Big difference. If you are not on day 1 of you 4 on call days. They give you a 8 am SC. You could use the 2 hr commute and be in base by 10. Come in on the 1st flight in the morning. Now you can't and you have to leave the night before.
I didn't know that. Lame!!! |
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