Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1649126)

Sink R8 had some really good posts on the topic. VPR Matrix makes a good point. Extrapolating from what he wrote ...

Assuming split duty overnights are coming ....

Then we need a method in PBS to ensure pure Split Duty Overnights are awarded, as bid. We do not want unstacking for coverage to mix these with other types of parings (due to rest and pay issues) We need a change to the software that makes pilots who bid pure CDO lines of time immune from coverage awards.

This compromise might turn a lot of no voters to yes voters. It might also not cost the Company anything.

Feedback?

Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1649149)

Bar, Even if C20 initiated the resolution, I believe all of the other councils had to give it a pass to move it down the line.

Originally Posted by Michael Jackson (Post 1649146)

CDOs aside (and I want nothing to do with them) I see no reason why we have negotiated now at all. From a Delta pilot's perspective, what is wrong with the current status quo? Things are quite favorable for us at the moment with unprecedented greenslip opportunities, reserves not starting day one until noon etc..

Despite our increased expense and multiple IROPS Delta still posted a record q1 profit. I see no need to give the company collateral now with section 6 so close.

Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 1649151)

Immune from coverage awards? Negative ghostrider. That means someone senior has to cover the unstack trip. Junior pilots "immune" from forced fly trips means that unstacking reaches further up the list affecting more senior pilots. Caution proposing software changes that you don't know all the affects of.

Also, I love to pickup those whiteslip/greenslip one leg out, layover, one leg back trips that pay 10:30 for as little as two hours of flying for example. No doubt the company hates paying these same day coverage rotations that are probably broken trips. Happens all the time. Even if one leg is a deadhead it pays 9:00.

If true, then this new SDP ability gives the company a cheap way to cover broken trips and solves their 30 hour layover problem at the same time. For what, 5:15? I hope it's worth it because I'm not sure it is.

Originally Posted by Michael Jackson (Post 1649146)

CDOs aside (and I want nothing to do with them) I see no reason why we have negotiated now at all. From a Delta pilot's perspective, what is wrong with the current status quo? Things are quite favorable for us at the moment with unprecedented greenslip opportunities, reserves not starting day one until noon etc..

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1649148)

The small number of guys wanting real productive trips (so they can pick up more real productive trips) getting a resolution through makes perfect sense to me. Lots of things in a representation type of body are driven by very vocal and angry minorities. When the rest of us wake up to what has happened our choices are limited. Our choice today is to text your rep for memrat or a delay to get more member input.......in other words, we become the angry vocal body.

The CODs (I think we need to call them what they are going to be called - SDP) don't effect me and I'll vote with you guys if given a chance, but here is why they strike me as "odd" and not for us. No, I don't think they are anymore unsafe that a lot of the other crazy back of the clock stuff we do......But........we all worked hard to get to "the majors". I like Delta (better than NWA) because it's a classier act. The company wants the efficiencies that NWA or RJ world has as we pick up more and more of the old RJ type flying, fair enough........but no. That's not who we are, we're older and have paid our dues.

At the majors, there's a dress code (name the movie reference for a beer - think baseball):cool:

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1649128)

You certainly have to sleep during the day prior to an all nighter. So in terms of getting proper rest, how is this any different?

Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1649149)

Bar, Even if C20 initiated the resolution, I believe all of the other councils had to give it a pass to move it down the line.

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1649113)

What would you do if network planning suddenly dumped a bunch of all nighters into the 88 category? How is this any different?

Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 1649151)

Immune from coverage awards? Negative ghostrider. That means someone senior has to cover the unstack trip. Junior pilots "immune" from forced fly trips means that unstacking reaches further up the list affecting more senior pilots. Caution proposing software changes that you don't know all the affects of.

Also, I love to pickup those whiteslip/greenslip one leg out, layover, one leg back trips that pay 10:30 for as little as two hours of flying for example. No doubt the company hates paying these same day coverage rotations that are probably broken trips. Happens all the time. Even if one leg is a deadhead it pays 9:00.

If true, then this new SDP ability gives the company a cheap way to cover broken trips and solves their 30 hour layover problem at the same time. For what, 5:15? I hope it's worth it because I'm not sure it is.