Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1645510)

The problem was the contract. We had to acknowledge and we didn't have to check our schedule and acknowledge until 3 hours prior. That meant we had an obligation. And we could postpone that obligation until as short as 3 hours prior to report and that made it illegal. It wasn't "rest" and it wasn't 10 hours.

The contract did not jibe with 117. It had to be changed. Either by negotiation or grievance.

Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1645533)

The way I see it, we waited all our careers for the ability to have 10 hours behind door and once again the company needs a out. We trip over our d***** to rush them a way to work around these 10 hour behind door rules. We even go so far as to provide concessions to short call start times.....for what? I don't really see the big gain for this pilot group. We hold the chips, the company either step up dramatically or see u in section 6.

The way this union does everything to help the company out at every turn. The result will be they will have no more wants after this. What is their incentive to get a contract done in 2015. They can stall for years under the RLA. What's the urgency to wrap up those negotiations they will have already gotten what they needed with LOA's.

I guess I am a risk taker I say status quo until the company steps up. So far I see nothing exciting.

Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1645516)

I had a different experience. As a NW reserve pilot I had to fly alot of CDO's. I do not buy that they are always going to go senior. (others said they would as well, not just picking on you new)

More than a handfull that I had to fly were with the same individual. He lived in base, did the family thing and all that is involved with that during the day, then flew the CDO getting, maybe, 4-5 hours of sleep. Rinse, repeat for days. The guy looked like death warmed over.

Originally Posted by vikz09 (Post 1645533)

i guess i am a risk taker i say status quo until the company steps up. So far i see nothing exciting.

Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1645533)

The way I see it, we waited all our careers for the ability to have 10 hours behind door and once again the company needs a out. We trip over our d***** to rush them a way to work around these 10 hour behind door rules. We even go so far as to provide concessions to short call start times.....for what? I don't really see the big gain for this pilot group. We hold the chips, the company either step up dramatically or see u in section 6.

The way this union does everything to help the company out at every turn. The result will be they will have no more wants after this. What is their incentive to get a contract done in 2015. They can stall for years under the RLA. What's the urgency to wrap up those negotiations they will have already gotten what they needed with LOA's.

I guess I am a risk taker I say status quo until the company steps up. So far I see nothing exciting.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1645529)

Just brainstorming some potential repercussions.

If a LC guy turns off his phone when he goes to bed, and turns it on when he gets up, as he can do contractually now, that could cause problems under the new system.

Most LC guys, regardless of where they live, may now have to keep their phones on to potentially be interrupted by notification, or check their schedules in the middle of the night so as to know if/when to show up.

Or they keep their phones off, get good rest, and must then be on de facto short call when they wake up.
I don't see this as an improvement.

Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1645567)

I am surprised no one has locked on to the possibility of the Augmented crews with non ocean crossings. To me that is a huge give back. We can now do with 3 what we needed 4 to do previously. And imagine a CDO augmented, eek. Fly NY-San short sleep, fly back, three pilots.

Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1645567)

I am surprised no one has locked on to the possibility of the Augmented crews with non ocean crossings. To me that is a huge give back. We can now do with 3 what we needed 4 to do previously. And imagine a CDO augmented, eek. Fly NY-San short sleep, fly back, three pilots.