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Got burnt on it in February resulting in a PD, guys doing transcon commutes may find the 13 hour call out with 10 hour required rest a tactical challenge.
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
(Post 1645573)
I was wondering about that too, a Caribbean turn from ATL that used to be called "dinner and a movie" because they'd deadhead a crew one way or the other, over 9 hours now and they can do a turn with 3 people. So far I am underwhelmed.
The other fleets and most 757s don't have seats that qualify. In other words, the dinner and a movies are going nowhere. |
Another concessionary result when profits are high and we have the leverage on our side.
Cdo means no. Augmented flts means no. Short call at 10 instead of noon means no. Fact that I didnt get the real verbage and details to form my own opinion but was spoonfed someone elses summary means NO. Sorry but this is not a gain for the downtrodden masses at the bottom of the list.... again. |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1645596)
Has anyone seen anything "Official" that says LC reserves will not be required to acknowledge or are we just chasing our tail?
I know "chasing our tail" is not as sexy a cliché as for example "The Devil is in the details," but one so rarely hears the later anymore I believe it has gone out of fashion. Scoop Nothing has been put in writing officially, but asking a rep directly about it got the answer that the long call is going to no acknowledgement. Very vague, but there's a some sort of "i'm not gonna make it" thing at 3 hours out if you can't do it. |
Just read the chairman's letter. Kinda underwhelming. And introducing CDOs? Thought I left that shiat behind at the regionals. :confused:
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Originally Posted by Vikz09
(Post 1645533)
The way I see it, we waited all our careers for the ability to have 10 hours behind door and once again the company needs a out. We trip over our d***** to rush them a way to work around these 10 hour behind door rules. We even go so far as to provide concessions to short call start times.....for what? I don't really see the big gain for this pilot group. We hold the chips, the company either step up dramatically or see u in section 6.
The way this union does everything to help the company out at every turn. The result will be they will have no more wants after this. What is their incentive to get a contract done in 2015. They can stall for years under the RLA. What's the urgency to wrap up those negotiations they will have already gotten what they needed with LOA's. I guess I am a risk taker I say status quo until the company steps up. So far I see nothing exciting. I am missing something, and this thing goes to memrat. |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1645470)
What's the word on the guys who have had PD's so far? Do they get repaid by the company?
Until the agreement is ratified by either the MEC or MEMRAT, no one will likely be made whole. He added that if it isn't part of the deal, he's voting no on it. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1645604)
Nothing has been put in writing officially, but asking a rep directly about it got the answer that the long call is going to no acknowledgement. Very vague, but there's a some sort of "i'm not gonna make it" thing at 3 hours out if you can't do it.
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Originally Posted by Vikz09
(Post 1645582)
I really am trying to find 3 of the bullet points that seem like a gain.
2. DPA did not apply to reserves--ADG does. For the first time EVER at DAL reserves will get the same pay for every rotation--EVERY time--that a regular line guy does. 3. Long call raised from 12 to 13 hours. (I admit this is a small gain, but it is a gain), and this includes 13 hours notification prior to the start of a SC period--currently it is 10 hours. Is that three? I think that after the initial emotional knee-jerk reactions that we all go through, that there will be an acknowledgement that there are a lot of positives here. I remain open-minded enough to consider otherwise. Time to get to bed. No more posting for me. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 1645595)
EVERY other carrier has done that for years. Only DAL has ever had it with a four-man requirement as far as I know (I might be wrong). Further, what's better--getting your break in first class, or a middle seat in coach? My understanding is that if we do it with three guys that we will get a first class seat every time. All three guys get a fairly small break of 1-1.5 hours on each leg as opposed to dh'ing all the way one way or the other. As it is, DH for 4.5 hours in a middle seat in coach, THEN flying back isn't my idea of a good time. (In fact I specifically AVOID front end dh on any turnaround in my PBS preferences for this very reason).
I'm not saying that if we go to this that it is "better"--but just pointing out that depending on the loads and the fact that we were never guaranteed a FC seat, that the current way ain't exactly peachy all the time. |
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