Explain to us how you know this. I've never once seen acl65pilot post here that he voted YES for C2012.

I'd do it myself if I knew what rate of inflation the graph was using.

A thought-provoking post.

One weird thing is the compliment to Nuguy. He's constantly posting about "talking to his rep", so any conversations where he's quoting his rep, and agreeing with his rep, and complimenting his rep, would be just plain creepy and manipulative. So we'll have to assume that the Nuguy that's on APC isn't a rep. In fact, out of respect for anyone's right to anonymity, let's not personalize this. But maybe we can agree that there is a generation that's in power, and sometimes the entire debate is hijacked by their attempts to settle who gets to be in charge?

We could make lists of who is good, and who is bad, and would undoubtedly disagree. But that would just duplicate their debate. Let's say instead that your point is well taken: the future belongs to the huge slug of people that's about to move up through the seniority list. Slug is probably a good description, because we're the generation that is mostly satisfied with posting about the people that are actually in charge. We'd like to think they're in charge because of old age and treachery beating out youth and skill. We'd like to, but it's just not true: they're in charge simply because they show up for meetings, and volunteer, in the real world, and we just don't participate.

Imagine if we did.

Average airfare adjusted for inflation using the Consumer Price Index (CPI) for airline fare, base year 2010 = 278.186. Average fuel cost per gallon adjusted for inflation using the CPI for fuel oil and other fuels, base year 2010 = 275.132.

Look around the MEC offices now. Compare the percentage of former express level guys with express level ALPA work to those with military backgrounds.

A couple of observations:

• Those with military backgrounds often have astonishing resumes when you start listing their accomplishments. IMHO they're among the best this nation has to offer at the highest levels.
• Express guys are more active and plugged in to ALPA's goings ons than the average Delta hire in years past. There are some really sharp guys on the bench, preparing, learning and waiting their turn at bat.

It is likely that express guys who's jobs turned and twisted at the whims of Delta's scope negotiations are nearly hyper aware of ALPA's administrative workings and will hit the ground at Delta wanting to be involved. I believe they will be an effective force and those already here (as mentioned earlier in this thread) are already proving this theory true.

We are all a product of our education, training and experience. Lee Moak's generation went to Harvard business school of hard knocks as taught by McKinsey Consultants and bankruptcy lawyers. ACL's generation experienced the perils of outsourcing and will apply their bright minds to finding insourced solutions and unity.

I think we will see a return to more grass-roots unionism at all ends of the ALPA political spectrum.

What I would like to see is more mentoring, more of D-ALPA's subject matter experts assigning tasks, under supervision, to their bench. Training these guys up with the lessons learned and the relationships needed to get the pilots' work done.

It seems my fellow APCer's think this is a thought provoking or thought challenging post. I think it is a thoughtless post or at best an empty bravado post. The generation you mentioned had to deal with; de-regulation, oil increasing 300%, bankruptcy, 3 mergers, MoRon , Mullins Carpetbaggers, 2 wars, an airline friendly congress and a labor friendly NLRB ( last 2 TIC ).
It is easy in hindsight to say this or that should or shouldn't have been done. Lee at Gettysburg, Vietnam, history is full of examples of there is always a better way.
When I was hired reserve was 24/7 short call, no rest, no long call when you were on reserve you were on short call period. No trip trading, no swap with the pot, your schedule was your schedule. There are so many other improvements in QOL that are too numerous to mention that happened under "the senior guys".
Give credit where credit is due. One other point, when Delta does good we as pilots do good, when Delta does bad it doesn't matter what is in our contract or how bad ass we are 'cause we are going to get our a$$es kicked, end of story.
I hope in 20 years when I'm senile ( more senile ) I can look in and judge your generation as being better than ours but you will have many major battles to fight and I truly hope you succeed.

Thanks for letting me know what I should and should not have an issue with. I'll be sure to give that some careful thought. :rolleyes:

Let's talk about skin in the game. Between the two of us, who has more to lose from this point forward in our careers? You, with 12 years left...or me, with multiple decades?

DALPA is granting concessions while the company earns record profits. "Constructive engagement" is completely one-sided. The company dictates negotiating terms, timelines, and modifies our contract at will. I could go on and on. These are serious problems for all seniority levels.

So to sum up your post: If ALPA wants my opinion...they'll give it to me. :cool:

Nerd

I.admire your passion. While the MEC is very junior and you are.well.represented, the power lies with insiders who have been around for a.long time. These insiders do management's bidding.

If you want to restore our profession and your future, focus on protecting profit.sharing and preventing pay banding.

Our concessions are no longer necessary. Why would we grant more?

This contract is make or break. Get your group active. We have a good MEC except for Randy and Buzz. Contact them often. They will listen.

APC. And so the battle rages on...

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