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Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1679354)
I agree with Carl too....
Carl |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1679423)
Question, what are the pros and cons of say a 6.75 ADG (say with 0% raise the first year)? Just an increase in the ADG.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1675812)
Here's my proposal: Agree to a 3 year contract with pay raises of 0/0/0.
On date of signing-2015, ADG goes from 5:15 to 6:00. At end of 2016, ADG goes to 6:45. At end of 2017, ADG goes to 7:30. At end of 2018, ADG goes to 8:00. Simple easy argument to make with the public and the NMB. Pilots will be guaranteed at least 8 hours of pay for the days they work. I would mention scope, but that can't get better with ALPA. But fate (read RJ experiment and JV experiment collapsing) could always intervene. Carl |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1679423)
Question, what are the pros and cons of say a 6.75 ADG (say with 0% raise the first year)? Just an increase in the ADG.
Con: We would see plenty 8+ hour hard time days - all of these would basically be at no pay raise. Con: If the theory here is hiding pilot costs - I don't think it would work. Our contracts are costed and increases to our compensation are not that easily hidden. Pro: Easier to defend lower hourly rates on the PR front. How would this affect reserve pilots? My opinion is we need to stop worrying about defending our pay rates. We live in a capitalistic system - if our skill set merits $300/hour, so be it. Scoop |
What is the gouge for listing for UAL jumpseat? Is it like AA where you need to go online and list somewhere? Thanks in advance...DW
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1679442)
Well, I posted this a few days ago and nobody said anything. Guess I was too much of a wuss.
Carl Im for 8:00 ADG, immediately. I ponder this: How were airline pilots ever suckered to accept per diem for layovers? If I am on company time, I want to get paid at least minimum wage for the time that I am not on ADG.:) TEN |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1679448)
My opinion is we need to stop worrying about defending our pay rates. We live in a capitalistic system - if our skill set merits $300/hour, so be it.Scoop
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Originally Posted by DogWhisperer
(Post 1679464)
What is the gouge for listing for UAL jumpseat? Is it like AA where you need to go online and list somewhere? Thanks in advance...DW
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Raising the ADG would be fine in my book but I don't see how it will raise my overall pay. Gonna have to follow me on the logic, which may be hard! :)
Many pilots already fly to the monthly maximum. With the bidding system we have of a maximum credit time per month (ALV+15), all I see a higher ADG doing is getting to that maximum in fewer days, which is a good thing of course, but I don't necessarily see it increasing ones monthly pay. Am I missing something? Wouldn't be the first time. So I'm a little bit skeptical of giving up pay increases for it. Denny |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1679423)
Question, what are the pros and cons of say a 6.75 ADG (say with 0% raise the first year)? Just an increase in the ADG.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1679442)
Well, I posted this a few days ago and nobody said anything. Guess I was too much of a wuss.
Here's my proposal: Agree to a 3 year contract with pay raises of 0/0/0. On date of signing-2015, ADG goes from 5:15 to 6:00. At end of 2016, ADG goes to 6:45. At end of 2017, ADG goes to 7:30. At end of 2018, ADG goes to 8:00. Simple easy argument to make with the public and the NMB. Pilots will be guaranteed at least 8 hours of pay for the days they work. Carl Ie., how exactly do they get a raise? |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1679523)
So, if you are at the bottom of a list -- let's say the 747-400 -- and you are on reserve 12 months out of they year, how is this proposal to their benefit?
Ie., how exactly do they get a raise? |
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