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tsquare 03-23-2014 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1608496)
T I hear this statement all the time but it is from guys that have never flown an Airbus product. After flying both I love Boeing but they could learn a lot from Airbus.


Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1608482)
T it's ok I will save a seat for you on the dark side. After flying the baby bus I can't imagine shoehorning my self into a 737 cockpit.

I have flown with enough ex "Boeing or I am not going" types to tell you, once you go bus you never go back. Well until bigger pays better.

I also know a couple of people that went to the dark side and said it was the biggest mistake of their career. I know you guys love it, and that's great. I don't like the complete lack of secondary inputs that the pilots brain is forced to do without. It's just not for me. I think it is an unsafe design. Sorry. nothing personal. I am really glad you guys like it. But mostly until you can figure a way to disable that damned idiot calling retard retard... I just can't.....







Originally Posted by Claybird (Post 1608499)
If I were ever told "well, we're switching to the airbus guys", I'd say "thanks for the memories and good luck y'all. I'm retiring".

Plus, Boeing's one of the last bastions of american manufacturing (okay, outsourcing notwithstanding). And it's a damn fine product, too.


This.... probably.

tsquare 03-23-2014 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1608589)
What about our jobs and the damage the Bank is doing to our future? Notice how many Norwegian 787 are being built? Look long term and our jobs will be exported just the same.... Boeing workers jobs are very safe when the foreign government supported airlines get stronger and we get weaker because of bad US policy........

This all stinks and IMHO we are facing the same fate as the US merchant marines........... Unfortunately I think it is inevitable. I will save what I can and enjoy the ride for now, fight the good fight, fund some ALPA PAC money...... Maybe ride out the last few years working as a subcontractor for a foreign carrier.......:(

this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Boeing makes rockets and lots of military hardware. They either compete against Airbus or not. But using OUR taxpayer dollars to prop up Boeing and the ExIm bank to fund OUR competition is just plain wrong. And I don't believe BA is going out of business either, but if it comes down to them or us... I vote them.

Fly4hire 03-23-2014 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1608696)
I also know a couple of people that went to the dark side and said it was the biggest mistake of their career.

Did they say why? I've flown em' both, generally prefer Boeing from a pilots perspective, but mission, lifestyle, and pay come first, and there is nothing on the Airbus I consider no-go. 330 flying is probably best in the airline if you like international.

But I like MD's too, so you know I'm a cheap date :cool:

TeddyKGB 03-23-2014 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1608589)
What about our jobs and the damage the Bank is doing to our future? Notice how many Norwegian 787 are being built? Look long term and our jobs will be exported just the same.... Boeing workers jobs are very safe when the foreign government supported airlines get stronger and we get weaker because of bad US policy........

This all stinks and IMHO we are facing the same fate as the US merchant marines........... Unfortunately I think it is inevitable. I will save what I can and enjoy the ride for now, fight the good fight, fund some ALPA PAC money...... Maybe ride out the last few years working as a subcontractor for a foreign carrier.......:(

Yet 4 out of 5 Delta pilots haven't even bothered to sign the call to action petition. Sadly most are oblivious and/or don't care.

On a side note, is it just me or does google chrome suck with deltanet / icrew. I get botted out and logged off almost every session.

EdGrimley 03-23-2014 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1608611)
Ice I hear you and value your thoughts.... I actually like the fact that we are all focusing on what are the real threats..... Myopic short term stuff is pointless if we don't have jobs..... When I come across those bitter FA's that treat the customer as an inconvenience, I want to yell, if those pax get a choice they will fly a sandbox carrier anywhere in the US rather than be treated poorly.... Like it or not, it is not about fairness or protecting workers.... It is about money........ People in this country want walmart in the skies..... It is just a matter of time....


Trust me I hope I am wrong!

A friend of mine recently flew from Singapore to Paris with Etihad. Economy seat. Two legs SIN to Dubai then on to Paris. One of those legs was on an A380. She kept telling me how much better the service, food, quality, leg room and price were for an economy seat. If these guys get their foot into the U.S. it's game over. They don't need a profit on their balance sheet.

maddogmax 03-23-2014 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1608709)
Did they say why? I've flown em' both, generally prefer Boeing from a pilots perspective, but mission, lifestyle, and pay come first, and there is nothing on the Airbus I consider no-go. 330 flying is probably best in the airline if you like international.

But I like MD's too, so you know I'm a cheap date :cool:

Having been a LCA on both Boeing and Airbus, I have found that guy's/gal's prefer whichever one they first checked out on. By the way T, the retard call is a reminder not a command. If you Boeing guy's learn the auto throttle properly, you will never hear it. Go Wichita State, Oooops, they just lost. There goes my $billion

forgot to bid 03-23-2014 01:59 PM

So basically, Boeing loves loves the EX-IM (they get 80% of the EX-IM money) because it helps them sell airplanes to foreign carriers cheaply, many of whom have no competition at home and are government "supported".

Delta and ALPA don't like the EX-IM because those cheap WB planes are then turned around and flown to the U.S. undercutting Delta's international service.

So we want more WB flying here but constantly have to give way to foreign carriers flying in 773s with "awesome service" for less, amirite?

Obama (years ago) called it corporate welfare, Rand Paul says "I don't think taxpayer-subsidized loans should go to profitable companies", Anderson doesn't like it, Moak says it harms U.S. airlines and their workers, Tsquare doesn't like it and FTB doesn't like it.

I mean Tsquare + FTB, get the hell out of the way people. http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/j/jarksaber.gif http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/j/jarksaber.gif

Now if Boeing is going to go out of the airline business over this, and RA is pushing for this to apply only to WBs btw, then Boeing truly is a ship without a rudder. But I'm open to hearing the other side of this.

TeddyKGB 03-23-2014 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1608742)
A friend of mine recently flew from Singapore to Paris with Etihad. Economy seat. Two legs SIN to Dubai then on to Paris. One of those legs was on an A380. She kept telling me how much better the service, food, quality, leg room and price were for an economy seat. If these guys get their foot into the U.S. it's game over. They don't need a profit on their balance sheet.

Eithad doesn't have A380's.

forgot to bid 03-23-2014 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1608701)
And I don't believe BA is going out of business either, but if it comes down to them or us... I vote them.

If Boeing is going to go out of business because the EX-IM is not renewed, I still vote us. Boeing will be rescued and hopefully fixed.

EdGrimley 03-23-2014 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1608758)
Eithad doesn't have A380's.

Good catch. I just checked again and the airline was Qatar not Etihad.


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