"Improves earliest trip report/short call to 10 hours after start of first on-call day."

So if LC is going to 13 hours, how is it they could give you a trip starting at 1000 on your first day? Are we back to checking schedules again during our last off day?

NO vote here for the same reasons as SFWB, though I doubt I'll get one. Details be damned, I've seen enough from the Chairman's e-mail to see that this one's a turd.

Try again. I think I explained it pretty well and that doesn't even begin to address it. You're either not comprehending what I wrote or your logic is faulty.


They were making the assumption that guys were going to sleep during the day in preparation for this. This wreaks of a committee comprised of people who don't really understand what happens with these CDO's in the real world. Are you seriously telling me that you think it's safe for someone to conduct a flight after only getting 3 or 4 hours of sleep in a 24 hour period? Do you actually fly the line? :eek:

Agreed. You said it's OK for a UPS or FedEx pilot to fly all night because it's what he signed up for. You then went on to say that guys who bid CDO's do so intending to stay up all day. Are these pilots somehow less responsible than the UPS/FedEx guys to fly all night without time in a hotel room?

Presumably so. IOW, they assumed that a professional pilot will do what he needs to do to be rested and fit for duty when he reports.

Certainly not, and yes I do. My trips consist primarily of 3-man Europe. I assume that the guys with whom I fly did what they needed to do during the day to be prepared to fly. Are you saying that the FAA should have assumed that they choose to get up early with the kids, mow the lawn and work in the shop all day, and then report to fly all night?

Any LAX 737 guys want to chime in here? :)

I'm not saying I like CDOs, just your logic is inconsistent.

Trying to figure this one out myself. With the new ADG of 5:15 a split duty would have to pay at least 10:30. If the whole thing paid 15:00, why not just say that?

Split duty is a misleading term. It's a single duty period that would sign in around 9pm and you'd get done around 7am.

The min pay for that single duty period (it is called split duty since there is a 6ish hour sit in the middle of it where you go to the hotel) is 7:30.

Where do you see the 6-hour break written?

That was just a number thrown out there for example... That's fairly typical in the RJ world. At my regional the min break was 5 hours and some would go up to an 8 hour break.

I know not what the required break is in the LOA yet.

Actually I think it's pretty much the same as what we have now. If you start short call at 10am then immediately get assigned something, you have the 2 hours or so to get to the airport making it some time around a 12 noon show time. Which is what it has been in the past.

Denny

Yes, but since this covers two calendar days, wouldn't the new 5:15 ADG kick in giving 10:30 for the trip? Or am I misunderstanding how ADG is applied?