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newKnow 05-17-2014 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1645448)
Because it removes the leash of 10 hr acknowledgement and the subsequent PD that they have been doing to guys that didn't do it in time.

What's the word on the guys who have had PD's so far? Do they get repaid by the company?

tsquare 05-17-2014 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1645469)
+1 on this question.
I mean at some point scheduling would need to know that a pilot will report as scheduled, right? I can't see them waiting until report sign in to see if an open trip will need to be covered within an hour.

Setting the table for some kind of airport ready reserve in C15? Just spitballing....

DeadHead 05-17-2014 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1645471)
Setting the table for some kind of airport ready reserve in C15? Just spitballing....

Airport ready reserve :confused: the company will have a hard sell with that one. Furthermore, that will probably limit some of scheduling abilities to cover trips in markets like NYC. (Basically being ready reserve at LGA and needing to cover a trip JFK)

Perhaps adding reserve credit on top of reserve guarantee with the ability to swap/pick up/drop ready reserve days might help entice some of of our pilots, but all in all I can't see many jumping to sign off on hot reserve days. The devil is in the details though.

newKnow 05-17-2014 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1645469)
+1 on this question.
I mean at some point scheduling would need to know that a pilot will report as scheduled, right? I can't see them waiting until report sign in to see if an open trip will need to be covered within an hour.

I think scheduling can see when you check your schedule, whether you acknowledge it, or not. So, when you see it, they will know you know.

Flamer 05-17-2014 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1645453)
I just talked to one of my reps. He is going to push for memrat. You are jumping the gun by a huge margin with your comment highlighted.... You don't even KNOW whether or not it will go to memrat, but you are already loading up the carbines. Wind your watch.

First, just read the email from MEC and I am not impressed at all. I must be missing something? ADG is a nice improvement, but everything else is either chump change, or worse than it is now worded positive via spin.

Second, I didn't say it wouldn't go to memrat. I said if it didn't, it would not be because of monetary reasons.

I hope it goes go to memrat. And fails. Concessions during financially prosperous times are absurd, and it is high time for the pilot group to stand up for itself. Standby for threats from the usual suspects concerning what will happen if we don't accept this turd in three, two, one........

tsquare 05-17-2014 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1645477)
First, just read the email from MEC and I am not impressed at all. I must be missing something? ADG is a nice improvement, but everything else is either chump change, or worse than it is now worded positive via spin.

Second, I didn't say it wouldn't go to memrat. I said if it didn't, it would not be because of monetary reasons.

I hope it goes go to memrat. And fails. Concessions during financially prosperous times are absurd, and it is high time for the pilot group to stand up for itself. Standby for threats from the usual suspects concerning what will happen if we don't accept this turd in three, two, one........

Fair enough. I am not wild about CDOs either. I want to see protections. Lost of them. imho, trash. Sailingfun will probably say "treasure", because he likes productivity. My guess is that these will go senior. I am not interested and I want to know that I am protected if there is an IROP or something where the "scheduled" 6 hour behind the door hotel rest is compromised. As to the rest I know so far... meh.

But why don't you just lighten up a little with all the pessimism about threats and such. There will be the other usual suspects saying that sans memrat that the doughnut holes will have a revival and all that bullchit too.

Check Essential 05-17-2014 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1645469)
+1 on this question.
I mean at some point scheduling would need to know that a pilot will report as scheduled, right? I can't see them waiting until report sign in to see if an open trip will need to be covered within an hour.

That's exactly what they will do.
How do they know a regular lineholder will report as scheduled?
You acknowledge at the beginning of the month. Same for long call.
You will have to know your responsibilities and they will assume you are going to report unless you tell them otherwise.

DeadHead 05-17-2014 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1645476)
I think scheduling can see when you check your schedule, whether you acknowledge it, or not. So, when you see it, they will know you know.

Just seems funny to me because they've gone from one extreme to the other. SD's December memo put a huge emphasis on acknowledging 10 hours prior to assignment, whereas the contract only required 3 hours prior (I believe), but now scheduling won't require acknowledgment by a reserve pilot at all. Don't really have an opinion on it yet, just seems a bit off.

Purple Drank 05-17-2014 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1645477)
First, just read the email from MEC and I am not impressed at all. I must be missing something? ADG is a nice improvement, but everything else is either chump change, or worse than it is now worded positive via spin.

I agree. I keep re-reading it to see where the gains are...and I'm just not seeing much. 5:15 is not enough to make me carry around my phone all day. It's hard to imagine a requirement to check the schedule every three hours. That is a HUGE step backwards in QOL for reserves.

What I am seeing is a lot of spin. Lot of parsed language, and not many details, which historically means a "full-court press" style sales job is forthcoming.

I didn't even see anything about PDs being made whole. In any case, I thought that was a major part of the agreement. I'd rather eat the PDs than vote for what I've seen so far.

There is no "bright and shiny" pay raise that will lure the masses to vote for it. Might be hard to get a quorum. What happens if the issue goes to memrat and there isn't a quorum?

If it does go to memrat, which I think we all realize just won't happen, reserve pilots will turn out the vote big time.

I'd rather take my chances with a grievance.

Check Essential 05-17-2014 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1645480)
I want to know that I am protected if there is an IROP or something where the "scheduled" 6 hour behind the door hotel rest is compromised.

FAR 117 specifically prevents that.

§ 117.15 Flight duty period: Split duty.

(d) The rest opportunity that the
flightcrew member is actually provided
may not be less than the rest opportunity
that was scheduled.


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