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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1645450)

Its only for long call.

Okay but how does the company know you got the long call trip assignment if you don't acknowledge it? Same for assignment to short call from long call. I'm confused.

Denny

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Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1645389)

This needs memrat. Not sure why it would be so difficult or expensive. Log in and go click click click. This is about larger politics rather than money. Fear of a no vote by membership would drive skipping memrat, and that "no" vote would probably be fairly healthy for the pilot group in the long run if it actually happened.

I just talked to one of my reps. He is going to push for memrat. You are jumping the gun by a huge margin with your comment highlighted.... You don't even KNOW whether or not it will go to memrat, but you are already loading up the carbines. Wind your watch.

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1645276)

, why bother with the union expense (20-40k) and delayed implementation of the benefits of the agreement?

Let me get this straight.

The MEC wasted AT LEAST $60k of our dues money in an FPL boondoggle to defeat the DPA, and you didn't make a peep.

But spending 20-40k to let us weigh in individually on this POS is not ok?

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1645392)

Fair enough... by itself, CDOs are a concession. I'll agree with you there.

I'm never a single issue no voter though, and I always weigh out the whole thing. C2012 fell too short on too many issues IMO for example. We'll see how the big picture is on this as well.

I am not a single issue voter either. But we need to be honest here and characterize these as concessionary. But IF... we get enough gains.. and protections to keep these God forsaken things from getting out of control, and sufficient protections from repercussions in the event of throwing the fatigue card, then I just might vote for an agreement that includes them. Sans that... nuh uh. Not interested.

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1645393)

For a more long winded reply, I've got no problem with membership ratification. I'll bet shiznit doesn't either.

As for the rest of it, for the sake of argument, who say's CDO's are concessionary? One mans trash is another's treasure. You could probably convince me pretty easily that this is a concession. But.......

As far as the other stuff you mention, how is it a concession to retain language that is already in our contract? Isn't a concession, by it's nature, giving up something? If we simply raise the ADG, that is not a concession but a gain. We are not giving anything up. Now if you said we needed more of a gain to get rid of the restrictions, I could agree with you.

Denny

You aren't going to see anything remotely resembling a CDO on the 330. I probably won't because NY 7ER doesn't have many if any city pairs that will include these. That being said.... You are right about the trash/treasure thing. Africa.. to me, is trash. I don't want to go there... ever. But they go senior. (thank God) These are different because imho they are a camel's nose under the tent. They change a fundamental "safety" issue that 117 was allegedly all about. *rest and fatigue* The devil is in the details to use the cliche, and I want to know the protections that a pilot has if he gets stuck with one of these and does not desire them, and subsequently finds himself in the middle of ATL winter weather SNAFUs and even greater reduced rest. That camel has me concerned greatly.

How is starting at 10am on first day of reserve an improvement? Isn't it noon right now?

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Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1645396)

"Provides augmentation for a non-ocean crossing FDP."

Augmented Transcons anyone?

Why the carve out 0000-0200 for 5:15 Average day?

So they don't have to pay us an extra day for those 0130 arrivals. Nothing different there than what we already have.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1645418)

DUB has been a 3 man trip since 1 Jan under FAR 117.

Yeah I knew that, but it hasn't always been that way, and I was using it for illustrative purposes.. So OK.. ....LIM applies here as do all all nighters. for me..

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Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1645430)

Capt. Square, what exactly does^^^^^^^ mean?

it means look above... like little arrows. ^^^^^^^

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1645446)

Okay, for those as dense as me... How would that work for a trip assignment or short call assignment?

Denny

+1 on this question.
I mean at some point scheduling would need to know that a pilot will report as scheduled, right? I can't see them waiting until report sign in to see if an open trip will need to be covered within an hour.