To each their own, really. A trip with 3 or 4 630am sign-ins is very fatiguing for me. A trip with all late flying that ends at 2-3 in the morning kills other people and is absolutely ideal for me.


In other news, Junior A330 FO at US was just awarded to a May 2013 hire. Dang.

You, FTB and I share a disposition toward similar sleep cycles. Every person has an internal clock effected by light/dark/moon etc and they tilt one way or the other (morning person vs night owl). If the FAA/airlines were really interested in safety they would work harder at creating pure AM and pure PM flying that consistently maintain either early show times or late show times but not a mixture of both in one trip. No such luck though and a missed opportunity during the part 117 rule implementation. Let's go ahead and add one more fatigue inducing flights to the list though. That ought to help.

Circadian Rhythm Disorders: Shift Work, Jet Lag, and More

Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome - What It Is And How To Treat It

Another interesting study, rats that were denied any restorative sleep for many days, simply died. Any time you cut into the natural restorative sleep cycle you start asking for health and safety issues.

Sleep deprivation in the rat: III. Total sleep depriva... [Sleep. 1989] - PubMed - NCBI

"Ten rats were subjected to total sleep deprivation (TSD) by the disk apparatus. All TSD rats died or were sacrificed when death seemed imminent....No anatomical cause of death was identified. All TSD rats showed a debilitated appearance, lesions on their tails and paws, and weight loss in spite of increased food intake. Their yoked control (TSC) rats remained healthy."

worse trips for me were the four days.

and specifically the ones that had you do the last flight in and then again the next night but to a min rest overnight and now do a 6am and then 545am to a 13 hour duty day. i hated those. i like far 117.

Even worse on a 5-day. Those are twice as long as a 4-day!


...says that guy that boned up his bid and got 3 5-days in June. Come on, PCS!

Agreed. "Shift work" can be OK on the body as long as you are repeating the same schedule daily and you're getting at least 8 hours of restorative sleep in a row. Once you go from PM's to AM's or vice versa in a short period of time you shock the system into confusion. Hormones get jacked and a symphony of chaos plays out in the body for days. Do this on a regular basis and it's a great way to knock years off your life. Just ask the Fedex guys.

Another one that will beat you up...the folks based in LAX/SEA get toasted with the 2AM (PST) wakeup in NYC. It doesn't matter if you got in at 5PM (PST), the body wont fall asleep as your eyes dart back and forth at the clock for several hours. Not good...just like getting too little rest on CDO's.

Does MEMRAT mean member ratification?

Chasing more political windmills?:D

I like the new T...

I do see one implication of allowing CDOs could possibly make the rest of the trip makeups better.

The trips have just been awful since 117 implementation. I see that as a potential positive of allowing them.

Yes.

Or as one of the forum's most frequent posters refers to it: "memory rat." :D

More specifically membership ratification.

I like memory rat. That's a good ipad correction.