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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1645400)

What is the LC response leash??? 3 hours? Unsat

Good question. I would agree if that's the case.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1645177)

Is it more or less safe than a 7 hour 2-man redeye in your opinion? Do we throw out all the other gains for one highly restricted thing?

I never liked the 2 man DUB/JFK trip. imho, for me... it borders on the safety issue. The most tired I have ever been on a DAL trip was that one. The only reason I do not avoid it is because it is an international trip that is good barter material. (That being said, I can't throw bags on one of them...)

So would a split duty period standup pay a 7:30 guarantee for the whole thing or 7:30 per split duty period for 15:00 total? I think the regional I used to work for paid close to 10:00 guarantee for a standup.

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1645400)

What is the LC response leash??? 3 hours?
Unsat

It has to be for it to comply with 117 rules. That and we can get 10AM rotations and SC on day 1 now. Unsat for sure.

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Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1645404)

Compare the contract of a couple decades ago against what we are left with now....there is no comparison.

Agreed. Twenty years ago we had no swap with the pot or other pilots, no PBS, no vacation swap or slide, no objective standard for allowing drops, etc. OTOH, we had a cap, partial month moveups, etc.

Rest requirements were the same as they are today, i.e., less than FAR 117 requires. Max duty limits were similar to FAR 117, some higher and some lower.

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Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1645404)

If there is going to be horse trading let's not trade a few dollars for something that ultimately reduces safety. Can we agree on that?

Absolutely!!

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Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 1645330)

I might be ok with the CDO's if they CAN'T be given to those who bid around them. Make them an option for pilots to bid. Then those that can't get there needed sleep with this type flying can bid around them. Not really fair to allow them then realize guys don't necessarily like them and they fall on the junior guys.

Justifying these things by saying "well they are equally evil to other trips we already fly" is not a good idea. We need to be cleaning out problem areas not allowing more. I mean we already have RJ's so why not just allow more right. Or take out all the condo's in the wide body fleet. I mean some of our guys don't get that option right? Lets think about this

Also no one is addressing the staffing impact. I hope we take a hard look at allowing ourselves to become more efficient for the company.

The other stuff seems to sound good. Just hoping we aren't trading anything when we should be making outright gains.

No, what we need is some kind of guarantee that there will be no repercussions if a pilot gets one, and calls in fatigues for the second leg. I'd try one, but if I arrived at the airport doing touch and goes on the yoke (the thing you fly with for you Bus guys) and I say... I can't do this.. I am going back to the hotel... that I am not going to get called by the CPO, or anybody else. GUARANTEED. PERIOD... EVER.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1645410)

DUB has been a 3 man trip since 1 Jan under FAR 117.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1645346)

And now UIO will pay 15:45. :)

And that somehow dampens the safety concern? This is really the crux of all the angst here, and I think it massively hypocritical of us to even discuss money trumping safety. But here we are.

disregard saw 80s post about chairmans letter...

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Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1645404)

Unfortunately the horse trading taking place now is cutting into the last remaining nuggets in our work rules of any worth. Compare the contract of a couple decades ago against what we are left with now....there is no comparison.

If there is going to be horse trading let's not trade a few dollars for something that ultimately reduces safety. Can we agree on that? Also, these work rule changes that get sold as huge wins with erroneous information (ie we just need the up to 99 hours for reserves to cover a specific situation for international reserve) causes further erosion of credibility of the union and later, reduced QOL of the line pilot.

Reserve when I was hired was 19 days on call. 24 hours a day with 2 hours to report. You're right there is no comparison.