Yes.......... and No

Get right with your maker ladies and gentlemen because one of the 7 Signs of the Apocalypse is upon us. I agree with Carl... This TA is an abomination. This smells of arrogance and isolation from the group the NG represents. I'm sure some of their senior buds are clamoring for and end to 30hr layovers and would be ok with SDPs because they can't make enough money. But to totally disregard the rest of the group and especially it's most vulnerable members, ie juniors and new hires and exploit them for the benefit of a few is reprehensible. Scrappy will never fly one of these I bet. Donatelli won't either. I doubt any of the reps will either. The burden will fall on the new hires and the juniority of the SNB categories, both As and Bs. This is worse than voting in a B scale. Lower pay won't get you killed.

Carl, one request though. I know you have an agenda but please lay off the conspiratory rhetoric. It's a bit off putting. You can get your point across without it. Let's work together to defeat this POS and then we can have the representational fight. Because if it does pass without a MEMRAT, I'll be all in.

The Keystone pipeline?:p

Its not a lie at least not according to MEC resolutions. There has been a resolution posted on the alternate forum showing the DTW guys wanted negotiations to pursue getting these back. I would suspect that other north guys wanted these as well. These were extremely popular and senior for the most part on the DC9. However has been pointed out that was pre 9-11 when you went DTW to FNT or MSP to RST. Going more than 1+30 block is a different story.

I have previously stated I liked CDOs but only the short ones. I do not want to do MSP to MSO as a CDO. However I would be willing to forgo CDOs in this agreement until the MEC has done some more or any polling.

newK

THey also took 5 day trips…so we've got that going for us.

PM inbound

What about no greater than 1+15 flight time each way with a non reducible 6hrs at the hotel. The current language is a no from me.

No rush? I just found out about these CDO's in the last few days and we're voting on this today---without the final language available. If this wasn't rushed, then it's been deceptively negotiated as this is quite alarming to many.

^^^^^Thank you.^^^^^ What in the what are they thinking???? Why does our representation keep looking for and finding ways to GIVE???? Did the company view bankruptcy that way--did they say, "OK, we're getting 47% in pay cuts and for that we're giving ADG of 9:00hr."? No, from my understanding it was: "The company is hurting huh? Well, here take 47% of our pay." Sure, not quite that simple, but you get the gist. So if negotiations can work that way during bad times why can't it work that way during good times? Why do our professional "negotiators" keep finding ways to give concessions? Reps have been written and have my $0.02.

A lot of us was blindsided by this.

You should pay more attention. I heard a rumor about CDO's being negotiated a month ago. I didn't believe it. A few weeks ago I heard it from 2 different reliable sources. Once I believed it, I posted on here to only get insulted and laughed at.