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tsquare 07-17-2014 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1685711)
Hah! Are you kidding me!?!?!? That is every post that Carl makes! Calling people out but providing no facts! He just says people lie, but he is the biggest offender!

Somebody quote this so the Liar Carl can see it!

Hey Carl... you listening???





What was I thinking? Of course you aren't. Why start now?

tsquare 07-17-2014 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1685799)
Did you bookmark that or something? :)

And I tried and tried and couldn't find where a post of PD's got deleted. I can see all deleted posts, so if one was deleted, it was reinstated.

Eitherway, hopefully we can move on from that miserable food fight and maybe take bets on how junior A goes on this beastly bid. :)

I'll say mid 9000s.

From my perspective, this bid isn't all that beastly. Don't get me wrong, it is a good AE, but not so "beastly" for the top half of the group... again.

CheapTrick 07-17-2014 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1686058)
Malaysia lost another 777 today. Crashed in the Ukraine. We fly the exact same route at the moment to Bombay. Flying over war zones always seems a bit questionable.

Yep. Apparently a Russian manufactured missile brought it down with 295 pax on board. Seems like a good time to be a domestic worker bee.

GunshipGuy 07-17-2014 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1686032)
I never saw that it was a programming delay. It requires more pilots and is the reason they doubled the hiring in JUN and Jul.

Back in '09 they signed a LOA to increase TLV so they could abuse 88 FOs (believe me, I lived it and it was total suck!). Why couldn't they sign a LOA to allow for 5:15?

GunshipGuy 07-17-2014 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1686074)
Are you sure it's the FAR? If anything, 117 should spread a pilot's flying out, not crunch it up into fewer days.

Just to be sure, you might call the PBS Help Desk or one of the PBS bidding services to QC your bid for techniques that might help.

I don't know if it's FAR 117, but before when we had fewer pilots I never got as crappy of schedules as I got this JUL: 18 days of flying for 83hrs. ATLM88B

GunshipGuy 07-17-2014 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1686109)
From my perspective, this bid isn't all that beastly. Don't get me wrong, it is a good AE, but not so "beastly" for the top half of the group... again.

It's a good bid, but I agree. Additionally, those 184 captain vacancies won't necessarily result in a net gain of 184 captain positions. They stated they will likely not backfill some of them. Still, a gain is a gain.

80ktsClamp 07-17-2014 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1685963)
I agree with you that the current growth is far bigger than C2012, but I didn't read anything else into 76drvr's post. He was simply responding to my suggestion that someone look up the difference in staffing levels relative to required staffing over the past two years.

Look at all of his other posts yesterday. Same theme all touting C2012.

It's political mouthpieces like him that keep the DPA alive.

Carl Spackler 07-17-2014 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1686055)
RE the Rotation Construction Survey; all they really need to do is look at what the most senior pilots in each category are asking for, and then look at the bottom line holders, see what (crap) they are being assigned.

That will quickly show them -exactly- what most pilots want, and DON'T want!

I really believe this whole exercise is more about pretending "We Care" vs. actually doing anything about it, rotation construction wise. The company is going to build what ever costs them the least credit time.

Preeeee-cisely.

Carl

Mem9guy 07-17-2014 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1686074)
Are you sure it's the FAR? If anything, 117 should spread a pilot's flying out, not crunch it up into fewer days.

Just to be sure, you might call the PBS Help Desk or one of the PBS bidding services to QC your bid for techniques that might help.

Domestically, it has a lot to do with Part 117, mostly due to the loss of any type of 30 in 7 flight hour limitation. That, coupled with so many trips with greater than 30 hour layovers basically means that it is easier to stay "legal" for more days in a row.

I personally deal with it in PBS by using a condition bid of no more than 6 days on max followed by a minimum of 1 day off. To make sure it works though, I have to be willing to back it up with ELSE START NEXT and be willing to sit reserve if I have to, to make it stick.

Historically, contract work rules have protected us from being worked to FAR limits. This seems to be evaporating...

Check Essential 07-17-2014 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 1686249)
Historically, contract work rules have protected us from being worked to FAR limits. This seems to be evaporating...

It has completely evaporated.

In almost all cases now, the contract flight time limit is the FAR flight time limit.


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