Then I don't agree completely. What you are stating is an ultimatum. We can bring that flying in house, with their pilots... status and category which would essentially be a staple. It would I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of them wouldn't object too heavily. Then there's always the SWAPA/SWA way of integrating another group if the first offer doesn't fly.

No, it's not an ultimatum. It's reality. Delta will soon have a feed problem if it hasn't already begun. Its going to impact our operation significantly as they lose more aviators. It's a mainline problem that will require a mainline solution.

Delta owns the frames.

They have a couple options. When the agreements on the subleases expire, or, if they can terminate the leases for non-performance, they can:

1. Bring the jets on the property

2. Trade the aircraft in as part of a purchase deal for new frames.

3. Sell the aircraft

4. Re-sublease them to another DCI

IF, big if, they decide to bring them on the property, they have now two choices in how to do that.

A. With the employees.

B. Without the employees.

Now, put a Delta management hat on and tell us what you think they would do?

My guess is they come without, they are staffed with new hires, money is saved by Delta.

IF, they came with employees, whose to say they don't petition or litigate for arbitration instead of a staple? As you said, a vast majority probably would not complain about a staple, but all it takes is one or more not liking that and suing for a different outcome.

Irregardless, as Gloopy said its a mainline problem that will need a mainline solution. When putting on a management backpack, hat, and viewing it through their cost and analysis lenses, it would seem pretty obvious what the outcome will be.

What does DALPA have to do with the DCI "operation"? Isn't that the Company's job to figure out how to run an airline?:confused:

I must be misinterpreting something.

I think it is apples and oranges. Say our job was to play whiffle ball. Takes a bit of practice, but even your 15 yr old nephew is "good enough" for the job. Now you have the choice of your nephew or Derek Jeter. Both are "good enough", and have been playing for a while. In fact your nephew is actually a current whiffle ball hero.
I'm still going with Jeter.
I stipulate that RJ pilots are completely qualified to do the job Delta has.
I also stipulate the opposing solo in your picture has demonstrated a much higher, albeit different, skill set.
It's not an RJ slam to say Thunderbird 5 won't have a problem in a 717.
I agree with the guys who say, "pick the good dude".

Also I did get confirmation from the MEC office that there is NO positive space to/from OE. Hopefully this helps folks behind me looking for this information as well.

Not to break up the discussion, but due to a large object impacting the aircraft I am spending an extra night out. So I am RSV this month and I am curious about the reroute pay and day off. Do I get a payback day for tomorrow? My card is showing ReRoute pay but it sounds like according to 23.21.L RSV pilots don't get reroute pay for Maint or WX issues.

Good to know about the per diem situation.

You do NOT get positive space commuting to your OE or jumpseat observation flights though. 100% you do NOT get positive space, unless they JUST changed it especially for this group of hires, which is highly unlikely.

Like I said, the system will let you do it, but you are not supposed to. It is considered a garden variety commute, and you have to get yourself there obeying the commuter policy (plus IMHO a significant fudge factor…you probably don't want to be the guy that calls in commuting to your very first company assignment…YMMV).

Sorry Gloopy we must have been typing at the same time. You are correct on the positive space question.

I don't know about either of those.

While DL will definately hire a good amount of DCI pilots, they will also hire other RJ pilots as well as from the LCC's and even occasionally poach a few from other legacies. The civilian pipeline will never be a 100% DCI (especially just ALPA DCI) pipeline.

As for the "Delta like operation" I don't foresee anything earth shattering there either. DL has for a long time attempted to greater and greater degrees to homogonize the DCI-Mainline "experience". Maybe the snacks will all be exactly the same. Maybe Pinnacle will hide their procedures in 5 different books for no reason. Maybe they will even get double breasted jackets. But I wouldn't read much into any of that.

Meanwhile, even if DL attempts to groom PCL into its sole source feeder, plenty of other airlines will gladly take their pilots. Which is one of a million reasons why DL will always and forever do the same.

Now if we really want to get esoteric, perhaps DL will spool up another Comair Academy or whatever trying to get its ab initio on, and within that could be a defined period of indentured servitude at a regional backed up with a hefty training contract, coupled with a flow to mainline of some sort, but I doubt in any of our careers it will ever get to the point of exclusivity in the hiring process.

Fyi my check airman told me I could book it and I did. I am not a new hire though. This was just last week.
I ended up on a southwest flight instead but that is my info.