I wish. They are traveling on Alaska/horizon, and they only have paper!

Yep, almost every airline except Alaska is electronic. They do make the paper process easy though if that helps and the agents can change the paper ticket to a different flight and destination if you want to change them.

BYOD update The number of consolidated BYOD subscribers with eligible devices is now 3,107. Approximately 2,500 have installed Jeppesen FliteDeck Pro and the AirWatch Secure Content Locker. The next step is determining how many of these pilots will switch to a Surface 2 tablet. The key dates for the BYOD group are:

March 10: Email will go out to all BYOD subscribers with a survey link for selecting which tablet they will use for the FAA validation - iPad or Surface.

March 21: Enrollment for the BYOD program closes. Pilots enrolling from March 10-21 will receive individual surveys.

March 31: BYOD tablet selection survey closes. Any BYOD pilot not responding to the survey will be removed from the BYOD program and will be added to the Surface 2 validation group.

I have iPad 1... Sounds like I'm SOL, right?

Yes you are, you need 2 or higher. I have SCL and the FD Pro. I want to see how the Surface works before I commit.

You completely ignored everything I said about it. No, your example would not be OK. I am a strong advocate of protecting numerous parameters including report and release times, redeye compatibility and theater. And yes, the no recovery thing came about because of the abuses you (and I) mentioned. But there are ways to protect the innocent lineholder from the occasional swap out of their control besides zero recovery. After a year or two of busy hiring this won't be about the occasional victim of seniority abrogation who then has to eat two hotel rooms, lose two nights at home and get malaria when he got screwed out of his prime European layover because someone jacked it last minute; it will be about a tiny empire of pilots in a sea of 7 short call, high ALV, plus whatever reserve relief (i.e. concession) we give in reserve rules WRT 117, who are intentionally buddy bidding to get their entire month off then doing a regular schedule and making triple pay. They will make the trip parkers look like saints. You're not going to see enough sympathy for a little microclimate like that to keep it in tact. You can frame it as "why should we have to give up anything" but in doing so you are ignoring that we already gave up a lot (and will very likely "give up" more WRT 117 negotiations…otherwise the company wouldn't "need" to negotiate anything…in order to get something, whatever that ends up being, like door pay).

I still say that door pay is a huge trap door and I can't believe our negotiators are lining up to stand on it. And if you want to talk about concessions, wheel spin up/taxi under own power is a massive, earth shattering concession. If we give that up, don't expect a hand full of guys across the categories to be safe in their little buddy bid triple pay niche.

Just so I'm clear on this, you're saying you would prefer to monetize our OE recovery provision for something that benefits a greater portion of the pilot group?

I'll offer this for a counter, even though you sorta touched on it already. Every category, but especially the entry-level categories (717/88) will be experiencing increased levels of OE in the coming years. There will be MORE pilots affected than now, which makes good OE recovery language even MORE important IMO. I see what you're saying (I think) but I really don't think giving up our recovery language is a good idea heading into such a training-intensive decade. Guys hate reroutes for the same reasons you described (abrogating seniority, rendering monthly bid awards worthless, etc)...

Also, the old standby of everybody but the bottom 10% of the company could choose to be senior enough to benefit from the OE language if they wanted to. Just take a look at ATL73NB - the first page or two would be senior ATL73NA's. They've made the decision to bid for QOL control and sharpshooting/GS/OE-LCA bidding/etc. This opens up holes further down the list for other guys to be A's.

If we make a concerted effort to level everything out/redistribute the wealth you will see the list go more stovepiped, and guys will be complaining about the opposite situation. <---This is similar to what we have now with the RSV buckets. All of a sudden senior pilots are bidding RSV which opens up holes for junior pilots to have a line. Despite this being called a "take the month off good deal" by some (ahem, FTB :p ) it DOES have a benefit in that it allows opportunities to exist "out of seniority" (another FTB favorite!)

You're right. I was exaggerating quite a bit to make it a worst-case scenario, probably because I'm so emotionally attached to it. And no, I'm not senior enough in category to take full-month advantage of this and I'll probably upgrade long before I am, so this is very much NOT about me. It's more than pilots bid regular lines for a reason, and everything that we can do keep them out of the control of the Company we should do. Recovery and reroute rules are soft enough as it is.

The other thing is that you can't have it both ways. This would either save the Company tons of money, in which it would be an "earth shattering concession" similar to wheel spin up, or it saves little money, in which case we can't trade it for much.

I am not sure why you consider wheel spin pay as you call it a massive concession. It's the way we have always been paid as defined by the contract and the FAR's for logging flight time. Your paid from the first movement of the aircraft to the last. Many ACARS units are programmed to operate that way. They send the out time when the ACARS gets a gps GS. There are no plans to change the current ACARS program at Delta but the could if they wanted since it would provide the same metric and comply with the contract.

Stop where is this door pay coming from?
Is it part of 117 negotiation? Also if you think the company won't come after us for oe recovery you are sadly mistaken. I would venture to guess that's one of the biggest things the company well want in this negotiation. And any subsequent. They are looking at a decade of hiring. If we give any part of it up without huge raises 20 percent day one we are fool s. This company thinks we are least productive in terms of our peers. They will a also begin a campaign to explain that to us. In fact they already have. Reference thr head of scheduling at base visits. Remember they make the schedule they pick the bases they pick the flights they don't fight marketing for same ac in city pairs. They create the credit we have nothing nothing to do with it outside of sick time. Stand strong stand smart and remember 2billion a year. I want my share now