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sailingfun 03-10-2014 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 1599514)
I also remember clearly reading in that FAQ that they can't require a schedule check on your off day. Did Delta and ALPA not get that memo? It is still in the scheduling reference handbook that we must check it. Isn't this a case where the FAR is more restrictive?

Where does the FAR state how many days off you have?

Fly Girl 03-10-2014 02:51 PM

[QUOTE=80ktsClamp;1599537]Some monday after daylight savings humor:

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/...85224839_n.jpg

Giggling!! ;) My mind went a few different ways on that statement! :D

tsquare 03-10-2014 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1599304)
I think the bullet point is that pilots very, very, far below your seniority were told to monitor their schedules for reserve trip assignments in ways that did not abide the language in our PWA. Some decided to follow their contract and the Company has also followed the contract, or at least not pursued that matter in a form which would result in a grevance yet.

Interesting that you chose those words. Reverve is reserve whether it is Timbo, me, you or ftb. "seniority" has nothing to do with it.

forgot to bid 03-10-2014 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1599537)
Some monday after daylight savings humor:

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/...85224839_n.jpg

http://blog.nerdette.org/images/minion_giggles.gif

even my wife, who doesn't like dirty humor, burst out laughing. It takes a while for you to figure out they mean pen.

GogglesPisano 03-10-2014 03:32 PM

Edited. To crude even for me.

GogglesPisano 03-10-2014 03:45 PM

Sorry, Sailing. I'm going to have to disagree with you here. From the "ALPA Guide to FAR 117":

Q-74. Can the certificate holder require a flightcrew member to check
a computer
, email calendar, text or other conversation media to
determine assignment, changes, etc. during a rest period?
A-74. No. During a rest period, regardless of length, a flightcrew
member must be free from all restraint.
If a flightcrew
member is required to do something by the certificate
holder, he/she is not free from all restraint.

The last-day schedule check is dead. And yes, it is rest.

Timbo 03-10-2014 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1599584)
Interesting that you chose those words. Reverve is reserve whether it is Timbo, me, you or ftb. "seniority" has nothing to do with it.

And several 777 Capts. senior to me are now bidding reserve just to...

"Take a month off".

If I lived in the ATL, I'd be all over it too! ;)

Even though we have 3-4X avail (20) vs. req. reserves (5) every day, green slips still go out. :confused:

Timbo 03-10-2014 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1599593)
Edited. To crude even for me.


PM it to me, I'll be the judge of that! :D

tsquare 03-10-2014 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1599601)
And several 777 Capts. senior to me are now bidding reserve just to...

"Take a month off".

If I lived in the ATL, I'd be all over it too! ;)

Even though we have 3-4X avail (20) vs. req. reserves (5) every day, green slips still go out. :confused:

Of course. My point was that all this angst can happen to ANYBODY that bids reserve. Seniority has little to do with it....

I'm bidding reserve next month because I have vacation. We'll see how it plays out.

sailingfun 03-10-2014 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1599600)
Sorry, Sailing. I'm going to have to disagree with you here. From the "ALPA Guide to FAR 117":

Q-74. Can the certificate holder require a flightcrew member to check
a computer
, email calendar, text or other conversation media to
determine assignment, changes, etc. during a rest period?
A-74. No. During a rest period, regardless of length, a flightcrew
member must be free from all restraint.
If a flightcrew
member is required to do something by the certificate
holder, he/she is not free from all restraint.

The last-day schedule check is dead. And yes, it is rest.

Good luck with that and let me know how it goes for you. I would however call DALPA and tell them your interpretation of the rule. A day off contractually is not required rest under FAR 117. If you are required to check your schedule contractually then any rest is broken and you now require 10 hours off. The company is complying with that.
It's also exactly the same as any other long call assignment under 117. If you are required to answer the phone then your rest is broken and you must have 10 hours off before you report. In this case your required to make a schedule check. You then must have 10 hours free of duty. They can't require to do anything during that period or you require another 10 rest. Go back about 4 pages in the thread and read the reply from contract admin. Regarding this.


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