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Fly Girl 03-10-2014 04:24 PM

[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1599585]http://blog.nerdette.org/images/minion_giggles.gif

even my wife, who doesn't like dirty humor, burst out laughing. It takes a while for you to figure out they mean pen.

Glad she thought it was funny! :D I knew exactly what they meant but I'm warped!!! First I though that was one hell of an evening if it got broke :eek: and the job must not have been finished!!

scambo1 03-10-2014 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1599609)
Of course. My point was that all this angst can happen to ANYBODY that bids reserve. Seniority has little to do with it....

I'm bidding reserve next month because I have vacation. We'll see how it plays out.

I'm bidding reserve next month cause I have vacation and training. My 28 day look back makes me useless prevacation and I'll green slip afterward on x days. I'm hoping ALPA doesn't TA some LOA and mess up my plan.

Roadkill 03-10-2014 05:37 PM

Pretty sure sailingfun is correct on this one. If u follow tne far and contract and dont make any assumptions, just do a straihht "if I follow the pwa and do this, then the pwa and or fars require THAT...." then you just end up with a 10hr rest after your sched check, whenever u do it.

sailingfun 03-10-2014 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1599646)
I'm bidding reserve next month cause I have vacation and training. My 28 day look back makes me useless prevacation and I'll green slip afterward on x days. I'm hoping ALPA doesn't TA some LOA and mess up my plan.

Your a smart man. If you backload one month then bidding reserve the next month can be a excellent strategy. If you have vacation near the end of the month it gets even better.

RockyBoy 03-10-2014 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1599661)
Pretty sure sailingfun is correct on this one. If u follow tne far and contract and dont make any assumptions, just do a straihht "if I follow the pwa and do this, then the pwa and or fars require THAT...." then you just end up with a 10hr rest after your sched check, whenever u do it.

Exactly. The contract actually doesn't require you to check at 1500 and never has. They could notify you of a rotation or SC 9 hours prior (1500) to the start of your first day of being on call. You are then required to acknowledge anything placed on your schedule by 1500 by 0200. You were required to ack that stuff by 0200 because you could ack rotations 3 hours prior to report and the earliest report you could get on your first day was 0500. Clear as mud??

So they can place anything they want on your schedule by 1500 and say they have notified you, but you are not contractually required to ack that trip until 0200. You then need 10 hours of rest because they required you to do that so it cannot start before 1200. Once you are past your first day you then just have to ack anything 3 hours prior to be in compliance.

Timbo 03-10-2014 05:56 PM

Just to change the subject...

I had the pleasure of riding the aft 757 F/A jumpseat home this morning, with a crew of new hire F/A's!! Three of the 4 were on their FIRST TRIP! And the Senior Mama was hired last October!

What a great time I had talking with them. So full of excitement, and youth, and hope, with smiles all over their faces. So young, so pretty, so thin and so happy to be there!

Oh to be a 26yr. old new hire pilot again!!

I have not seen four F/A's like that on the same airplane in about 20+ years!

I'm seriously thinking of bidding back to Domestic!

Let me look at those 717 trips again....oh...wait.

iaflyer 03-10-2014 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1599675)
Just to change the subject...

I had the pleasure of riding the aft 757 F/A jumpseat home this morning, with a crew of new hire F/A's!! Three of the 4 were on their FIRST TRIP! And the Senior Mama was hired last October!

What a great time I had talking with them. So full of excitement, and youth, and hope, with smiles all over their faces. So young, so pretty, so thin and so happy to be there!

Oh to be a 26yr. old new hire pilot again!!

I have not seen four F/A's like that on the same airplane in about 20+ years!

I'm seriously thinking of bidding back to Domestic!

Let me look at those 717 trips again....oh...wait.

Walking through the training center this month is the same as your flight.

Don't bid domestic yet...fly a ATL-LAS or ATL-LAX where the FAs do a turn... You'll be thinking "werent you just on my last DXB trip?"

On the last ATL-LAX I flew the >junior< FA has a seniority # under 1000.

Timbo 03-10-2014 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1599681)
Walking through the training center this month is the same as your flight.

Don't bid domestic yet...fly a ATL-LAS or ATL-LAX where the FAs do a turn... You'll be thinking "werent you just on my last DXB trip?"

On the last ATL-LAX I flew the >junior< FA has a seniority # under 1000.

So you're saying I should give my F/O's all the landings, so I'll have to go back to the training center every 90 days? ;)

Preferably on a Friday afternoon...:D

Bucking Bar 03-10-2014 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1599541)
I won't answer each post but FAR's are not the contract. ...I can't even grasp why someone thinks that FAR's modify the personal working agreement. They never have and never will unless we write that into the contract. You as a pilot are responsible for complying with all FAR's. You should also comply with the contract however many pilots wave this if it suits them. Again however the contract is a stand alone document.

Maybe I do not follow your point, because I agree that a pilot is responsible for compliance with the FAR's and the contract. I am not sure a pilot can waive the contract, in as much as the pilot does not actually represent himself (ALPA does) and technically is not able to amend the PWA unilaterally. Of course we know there is a great deal of looking the other way that makes any relationship function, but I think you were making a technical distinction, so, if we are getting all technical ... yes regulation can modify a PWA.

Contracts exist under the law. No contract is enforceable to the extent that it violates regulation. Regulation always supercedes a contract. In this case the regulation is more limiting than the contract and the contract triggers a response to the regulation.

Jump down to the last line of this article.

contract legal definition of contract. contract synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

Not the best explanation, but about as good as anyone is going to get this time of day :)

forgot to bid 03-10-2014 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1599690)
Maybe I do not follow your point, because I agree that a pilot is responsible for compliance with the FAR's and the contract. I am not sure a pilot can waive the contract, in as much as the pilot does not actually represent himself (ALPA does) and technically is not able to amend the PWA unilaterally. Of course we know there is a great deal of looking the other way that makes any relationship function, but I think you were making a technical distinction, so, if we are getting all technical ... yes regulation can modify a PWA.

Contracts exist under the law. No contract is enforceable to the extent that it violates regulation. Regulation always supercedes a contract. In this case the regulation is more limiting than the contract and the contract triggers a response to the regulation.

Jump down to the last line of this article.

contract legal definition of contract. contract synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

Not the best explanation, but about as good as anyone is going to get this time of day :)

Wait, now I'm just getting confused.

I thought I just read that the contract stands as written? We must check our schedules on our day off.


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