IIRC, there is something major in 2015 I think WRT SkyWest/ASA, their CPA and ATL.

Does anyone know if DL dumps them if SKYW, inc would still own the gates? They extorted DAL big time in exchange for essentially loaning us 400M of the billions of our own money we gave them in the years prior, only to be guaranteed to be paid back way more than that. With whatever is happening in 2015, can we really dump them without consequence, or do they still have a claim to (a lot of) ATL gates?

Not only that but a flow still wouldn't stop the exodus of the bottom 4/5 of their list as everyone else ramps up hiring.

Or does that mean a DCI pilot is also a United pilot because they sometimes fly for the "United side"? If a DCI pilot flies for a, let's just say "prolific" outsource provider, can they at the same time be a Delta, United and American pilot?

The time to fix this by annointing groups with ALPA holy water are over. That ship has sailed. This is a mainline problem with a mainline solution. It can only be fixed with bringing flying in house and staffing it with new hires at the bottom of the list with DL DOH for longevity. That's just how it is.

Its important to realize that CPZ pilots have zero claim to DL whatsoever. Never had before and don't now. There is an agreement between DL management and DALPA to continue to honor the grandfathered cutoff for the flows because the CPZ operation and agreement contains a flow down provision that, if broken, would require the parking of a lot of large RJ's. That is what keeps it alive. Not a claim by CPZ pilots.

And it doesn't matter one bit about their interview. They could have undergone a NASA interview 10 times harder than any other airline in history and that would be irrelevant. It means nothing that retired or even active NWA (or Delta for that matter) pilots were participating. It doesn't matter how hard it was. A flow that will *probably* lead to a seniority number is not a seniority number. And without a number, there is no claim to a job that requires a number to be on the list.

Assuming they did, what would they do with them?

And that's exactly the best and only solution.

Bringing the frames and the pilots onto the property is a non starter.

+++++++717

Not 100% sure about per diem, but you do NOT get positive space for OE or jumpseat observation trips. The system will let you book it, but you are not supposed to. It is considered a garden variety commute 100% on your own time and dime.

you are bilingual.

Not sure. I assume they would either "put on the red light" seeing if any other airline wanted them (JB and VX want into ATL, JB especially, and the airport is offering bribes again) or attempt to use the gates themselves for their branded scope buster large RJ's on order.

I'm not too worried about any of the options they have as being a threat to us as we could easily bury anything they tried to do alone or with a partner. But I am concerned about the potential loss of a significant number of gates.

Then again, most of the gates in question, and a lot of our own other gates, used to be used for 50 seaters and are now using much larger planes. So maybe its possible to lose a lot of those gates and still not cramp the operation much or at all.

I don't like the thought of an insolent regional owning gates we may need for our operation though, so I hope that's not the case. Things with SKYW, inc could get ugly.