For all intents and purposes (or intensive purposes, if you prefer), they are. A simple, "Can't do it," will do the trick. having said that, technically you are correct, they are not proffers.

I make liberal use of qualifiers, "Minimum x hours to report, minimum y hrs credit," so that this doesn't even come up.

Once the brakes wear down, the tires are marginal, and the engines aren't quite as perky, the margins will be even thinner. Throw a little drizzle on the runway and a balanced field RTO could be really sporty. I'm discouraged to see so many of these on the east west routes. It seems like a decent east coast airplane, or an ATL-FL plane. Seen much in the way of load optimization?

Option 1: ALPA Grievance

• No PWA improvement
• 6-12 month adjudication
• Favorable outcome highly likely but not guaranteed in ALPA/pilot's favor.
• $110,544 cost to pilots (120ish events x 4.33 hrs x $212/hr)
• $100-$300k cost in dues to arbitrate

Option 2: ALPA Negotiated LOA

• Significant PWA Improvements
• 4-5 month adjudication
• EVERY pilot in every event repaid
• no dues cost in fees for attorneys or arbitrators (they aren't cheap)
• Delta PWA value increased by $40+ million/year
• Retain the right to grieve if outcome unacceptable

Not sure how you think the Company got a "free four month loan". This is a corporation whose annual revenues are nearing $40 billion. Interest on $110k is 0.00027636% i.e. almost nothing) versus now paying it all back AND paying out an extra $40,000,000 per year going forward? I don't deduce a win for the Company there. (Along with the potentially bad blood it could have generated).

I don't see how it tested the pilot's resolve nor how "they got their answer", we were able to grieve at any point. We never had anyone go groveling or begging for mercy. We stood our ground and leveraged it for over $40mil and improved work rules in our pockets going forward. We also walked away with a more timely outcome and got the affected pilot's lost pay back sooner than with a grievance. To turn a phrase: We tested the Company's resolve and "we got our answer". We won, they capitulated. That's just my perspective.

I appreciate that you haven't engaged this discussion with your "namesake" (which is funny and entertaining sometimes), thanks for keeping it civil on this one.

Had to get the longest runway to avoid a flaps 15 BO TO from Sea Level on a relatively cool summer day from Boston yesterday.

We've got a LGA leg with one next month. I expect it to be more interesting than line flying really should be. It should do the circle to land. At least the engines are already spooled up (approach N1 is comparable to a derate TO thrust setting on a -700 on a long runway) :cool:

It is the doggiest airplane I've ever flown. At least it hand flies well, which is a plus when your cruise altitudes are down in the weather and you're all the time dodging build ups and the occasional ambitious King Air or turbo Cirrus.

The thing also makes a guy aware of the second stage climb criteria (that we probably aren't meeting while we ensure the white paint stays on the tail skid).

This sounds just like the 727s that we flew for years. They loved the ground.:eek:

Thank goodness our pax only weigh 195 with carry ons.

I don't know how many times I've looked at the end of the runway in LIH (737-800) and thought that there's no way in he!! we would have stopped. Or better yet in many location's in the Arctic on the -700 or -800.

The 75 on the other hand seems to just go and go. The climb on the 75 vs. the 73 in SNA is like apples to oranges.

Baja.

The "may" and "if" cancelled out the good news IMO. Its going to be renewed. They can't even reduce the rate of spending increases with the fake "sequester" there's no way the nations largest exporter will be pulled off the teet of Uncle Sugar.

The bottom line is this. If scheduling gets hold of you AND you can make legally make the trip as it is constructed, you must fly it. However, that is the only stipulation--IF you can make it. You are not obligated to be contactable, abstain from alcohol, or be anywhere near any airport at all.

Some guys just put in a blanket GS for every day of the month (perhaps they are very rare in their category) and may get one or two a year. That doesn't mean that they actually have to be available. But...if you say "12 hours notice required" and scheduling calls you for a GS 18 hours out, it is yours.

If I had to guess I'd say in exchange for our support, we'll get some Boeings (good chance on this RFP but if not then later ones) at price points similar to the emerati charity subsidy equivalent the govt gives out. We'll just get it rolled into the price instead of the financing end of it, and it will be double corporate confidential and impossible to prove.

I think that's a failed strategy but most likely what we will see. Even if we get the same subsidy equivalent, the 3 dillusiional emerati "royal" airlines will be an uncontrollable cancer a decade or less from now that will slam US airlines with unreal capacity that won't be even close to cancelled out even if we get a 4-5M/year break on the pricing end.

The cancer will be allowed to grow, and RA appears to be hedging his bets trying to lock something in with BA while the getting is good because there is no assurance the ImEx welfare to the emirati is going to end anyway. There are also parallel allegiances at work as well. The money printers he knows very well very much want this crony gravy train to continue.