^This. Wow! What a different industry it would be if that had not been the case.

Even the "best contract in the industry" (to quote you) is worthless when it can be modified by the company at will and without repercussion.

The precedent has been set. SD can change the contract whenever it suits him, and DALPA has shown it's willing to use its negotiating capital to uphold the contract.

Think about it: DALPA negotiated when the company ignored the contract, expended negotiating capital to enforce the contract! That's madness.

Oh, SD's memo also validated this future tactic: Taking hostages is an effective strategy.

That is a fair question, but I think it boils down to the gubbamint "getting theirs". I think everybody that is paying attention now realizes that government backed student loans are what's driving the out of control costs of university education. The curves have finally crossed where those loans are no longer serviceable for degrees like women's studies and 19th century French Poetry. So like everything else now in a socialist government, it has essentially become an entitlement.... actually, for those WITH loans, it is slavery. Exactly what the current administration wants. I digress. So individuals are held to those agreements because the government gets theirs, but in the case of corporations, they can break agreements with third parties if necessary for "survival". It ain't fair, I agree, but that is what it is.... unfortunately. Actually, I don;t think student loans should be bankruptable. If Susie schoolteacher goes to Harvard to get her certificate, and only makes $20K/year, well she made a bad choice, and it ain't MY responsibility to pay for her mistake.

That was an interesting read. He's definitely thinking outside the box. I hope DL gives him the opportunity to make a pitch, even if its a long shot.

Because they can voice-analyze the recording, and test for evidence of guilt or deception.:o

He's smoking crack. M R Rats has 489 seats on that thing. They can afford to do that because they are government supported. If we put 489 seats on those we'd lose our azzes. So we'd have to put 600+, which would mean that we would get thrashed in the court of public opinion..... for starters.

Dear Mr. Fun,

Stop the madness. Wake up. ;)

The amount of money Delta and all of the airlines are making in ancillary fees, baggage being a large portion of the haul, is formidable. This article below doesn't even address the cargo initiative drive and revenue Delta has booked.

Anything going into the belly now has a price tag attached to it. Not so before. So YES, you can put us into the same comparison as UPS and FedEx.

Additionally, they made more in change fees than luggage last year at Delta. Over $ 1.6 billion in just fees.

Delta Keeps Its Edge in Airlines' Quest for a Billion Dollars in Baggage Fees


One of these days, despite the best efforts of frugal travelers to fly with less luggage, some crafty airline is going to make $1 billion a year from baggage fees. Delta (DAL) is still leading the incremental charge to that milestone.

The carrier collected $833 million last year just from slinging bags, more than any other airline, according to data released today by the U.S. Department of Transportation. Delta made slightly more by charging passengers for changing or cancelling reservations, another category in which it bested all other airlines. Almost 5 percent of Delta’s revenue now comes from these add-on fees.

As airlines get craftier, however, so too do travelers. Baggage revenue at Delta and United Continental (UAL) slumped 7.2 percent last year, even though the carriers collectively flew about the same number of passengers as they did in 2012. All told, baggage fees dropped 4 percent in 2013. And the other major airlines aren’t far behind Delta. Here’s a full breakdown of the data:



In all fairness, Delta moves a lot of people around—far more than say Hawaiian Airlines (HA), No. 9 on the baggage-fee list. And its fees at the moment aren’t particularly egregious as far as these things go: After one free carry-on, the first checked bag costs $23.

There are far more flagrant luggage fees out there. US Airways, for instance, is collecting $125 for a third checked bag. Southwest (LUV), which makes a big deal out of its “bags fly free” policy, charges $75 for luggage weighing more than 50 pounds (up from $50).

When one breaks the fees down per domestic passenger, some smaller carriers shoot to the top of the list. Spirit Airlines (SAVE), which charges travelers for pretty much everything but wearing shoes, collected almost $20 in baggage fees per customer last year. No wonder it is both so profitable and so deplored. With a charge of $50 for one carry-on bag, it’s surprising Spirit didn’t realize a larger haul. Frontier (FRNT) may make a similar impression this year after introducing a $50 fee for the pleasure of jamming a carry-on into the overhead bin.


Delta Is No. 1 as Profitable Air Cargo Beats U.S. Peers

Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL), bucking an industry slump in cargo shipments, is packing more auto parts, mail and salmon into the bellies of its passenger jets to beat its largest U.S. competitors.

Delta is on a five-month streak of gains in cargo traffic, bolstering the bottom line ahead of tomorrow’s quarterly earnings report. The cargo operations produce $1 billion in annual sales and profit margins that have topped 50 percent because goods are flown on jets with fare-paying passengers.

The second-biggest carrier is jumping ahead of peers with a wider network after the 2008 purchase of Northwest Airlines, new markets and improved on-time performance. With the merger done, Delta is expanding in cargo while United Continental Holdings Inc. (UAL) finishes its own merger integration and American Airlines parent AMR Corp. (AAMRQ) reorganizes in bankruptcy court.

“People underestimate the benefit of Delta having integration behind them,” said Savanthi Syth, a Raymond James & Associates Inc. analyst in St. Petersburg, Florida. “United is still trying to combine networks and cargo space tends to be one of the last things that gets optimized. And American has been so focused on their bankruptcy.”

Delta surpassed United, the world’s biggest airline, in cargo tonnage in July as the Chicago-based carrier meshes former United parent UAL Corp. and Continental Airlines Inc. The Atlanta-based carrier’s cargo rose 1.1 percent through September while United’s fell 6.4 percent and American’s slid 1.2 percent.

Cargo Margin

“We have definitely outpaced our peers,” Chief Cargo Officer Tony Charaf said in an interview.

While Delta doesn’t typically give profit-margin details for the unit, Charaf’s predecessor, Neel Shah, said in 2010 that the figure was “well north” of 50 percent. The airline’s overall operating margin last year was 6.3 percent.

That means Delta’s $1.03 billion in 2011 cargo revenue, which made up only 2.9 percent of total sales, generated a greater share of profit. Analysts project third-quarter net income will climb 44 percent while United’s may drop 12 percent. AMR reported last week that its quarterly loss widened on the same basis.

“Delta is smart to be so aggressive on it, because almost all of that revenue falls right to the bottom line,” said Helane Becker, an analyst at Dahlman Rose & Co. in New York.

Sustaining Delta’s gains will require the airline to keep resisting the industry’s slowdown. Global cargo traffic is projected to shrink 0.4 percent this year while yields will drop 2 percent, the International Air Transport Association trade group said on Oct. 1.



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After they are making rain billions, is everyone going to be ok with excepting coins in C15K?

I'll agree with you and disagree at the same time. While we are making lots of coin on fees and such, and yes it is true that everything that goes in the belly has a price attached to it (except the "courtesy checking" that goes on at the gate), I think it is best viewed like an old FDX friend told me once. He said "When you divert, you inconvenience a couple hundred people. When I divert, I inconvenience 250,000 people."

That being said, it is management's goal to have DAL viewed on Wall Street in the same vein as FDX/UPS/UNP etc... and not with SWA/AAL/UAL.

Well we have that covered. If they have to park 88s then the bh ratio with DC kicks in to protect us and required the flying to be taken from them first....

Oh wait nevermind. I remember now we set the ratio way too low. We can park jets and still be compliant.


If we knew that the ratio would end up around 1.7 or better, why didn't we set it there as the floor?

You can also view it just how the FAA, lawyers, and insurance companies viewed it when sitting down to write the 117 rules.

When you fly, you have a couple hundred life insurance policies on board. When your FDX friend flies, he has two life insurances policies on board...and maybe one or two jumpseaters, whatever they're worth.

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