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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1648739)
I'm with you. I won't compromise safety on a flight either. This is complete BS and any reps who support this should be recalled. If you can't draw the line at safety, then you shouldn't be representing airline pilots (or even be an airline pilot in the first place).
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Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1648923)
It is a 2:00 limit for the Company.
There is a 2:15 max if with the concurrence of ALPA, but I doubt you'd see that concurrence given. They had to give the appearance of flexibility. Yeah, rotations have changed and it will be hard to make them better. The 5:15 ADG will help alleviate that considerably. I expect a lot too out of Section 6, and I'd rather use the gains here as a higher baseline to start those talks:
Heck, we can "try" SDP's for 6 months and if we don't like them or want changes we have a built-in window to do fix it. There has been no rush on this at all, in fact this could have been done a long time ago.. Negotiations began on this last October, and ALPA had been asking the Company to begin the discussions last spring, but the Company has dragged their feet. The NC went to the MEC for direction and re-direction 5 times to hone our "ask". If the NC brought a TA back, that means it was within the guidelines set by the MEC. Now we have to ask, if the MEC tasks the Negotiators to go get "A, B, and C" and the NC brings them "A, B, and C" in an agreement, wouldn't a yes vote be a given? Next question, is this worthy of MEMRAT? That is for the reps to decide, but I kinda lean yes, but wouldn't be upset if they didn't. |
Just for grins, I put up a poll thread, to see what you might want the MEC to do.
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1649148)
The small number of guys wanting real productive trips (so they can pick up more real productive trips) getting a resolution through makes perfect sense to me. Lots of things in a representation type of body are driven by very vocal and angry minorities. When the rest of us wake up to what has happened our choices are limited. Our choice today is to text your rep for memrat or a delay to get more member input.......in other words, we become the angry vocal body.
The CODs (I think we need to call them what they are going to be called - SDP) don't effect me and I'll vote with you guys if given a chance, but here is why they strike me as "odd" and not for us. No, I don't think they are anymore unsafe that a lot of the other crazy back of the clock stuff we do......But........we all worked hard to get to "the majors". I like Delta (better than NWA) because it's a classier act. The company wants the efficiencies that NWA or RJ world has as we pick up more and more of the old RJ type flying, fair enough........but no. That's not who we are, we're older and have paid our dues. At the majors, there's a dress code (name the movie reference for a beer - think baseball):cool: Movie- Major League |
So 15 guys at a local council meeting can put SDPs on the menu and it becomes the will of an 11500+ pilot group? Our system is severely broken.
If these show up without memrat, I will be completely done with DALPA and will do everything I can to burn the union down... regardless of the consequences. Schedule with safety my arse! Along these lines, just got a email from national saying that NATCA is supporting our SOS against the NAI scheme. My first thought was hooray!, ALPA is finally supporting a "Suspension of Service" to fight this huge threat... but no sir... when I clicked on the article, it appears ALPA has redefined SOS to mean "Save our Skies"! Unbelievable! This "new speak" is right out of Orwelle's Animal Farm. Good thing I am retiring sooner than later, because I am fed up to my eyeballs. |
Not only did we get rid of 2200 to 2359 carveout, we created a carveout for our new SPD. The split duty period should pay 10:30.
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
(Post 1649194)
Great post.
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A 2 hour leg for a CDO is way too long in my opinion; I have years of experience with CDO's. With the amount of sleep you get on a CDO, there is only enough brain function to constantly keep working over a very short flight, the second there is lull, the fatigue gets to you.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1649166)
Exactly ... so why the distinction?
On a slightly different topic ... assuming our Reps directed SDO negotiations, why was this not something we were talking about before now? I think a lot of the "HE:: NO" reaction is because of the suprise factor. Having our reps under non disclosure agreements sometimes stymies communications. Having modelling data (say current schedules have 7:50 breaks for ATL to CHA, AVL, JAX, SAV, HSV, BHM for example) might alleviate concerns that the typical trip is going to be 6 hour break, reduced to 3 when a cloud passes by. It would not surprise me to see the MEC postpone action on this until more communication takes place. As you know Bar, this originated on the "other" forum. KW was responding to the ALPA apologists by starting a new thread. KW was not the one singling out council 20. Tr |
Originally Posted by trlaketige
(Post 1649222)
As you know Bar, this originated on the "other" forum. KW was responding to the ALPA apologists by starting a new thread. KW was not the one singling out council 20.
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