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Feeling a bit condescending-y tonight, eh?

I thought the deal was sub par to where it needed to be. I set standards to where I felt it should be, and it came in below in every area. It was not an emotional vote for me.

Just under half agreed with me and just over half felt it was good enough. ;)

How's that?

So you say this:

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2 times 37 is 62? Good math, alfa!

and then I'm the condescend-y one. Okay, I guess you are feeling a little "I can dish it out but I can't take it"-y.

Look, I don't deny you the right to vote the way you did. You pay your dues and you get your vote. The problem is that the majority of pilots disagreed and now the forum crowd says it is not democratic. In other words, I get my vote, but your vote doesn't count because you voted differently from me. That is my problem. Can't people just say, "I lost the vote" and then move on instead of creating these phony conspiracies and lame plots about how democracy was thwarted.

Each pilot got to review the deal completely. They made their votes. Your vote counted just as much as mine did. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, move on. Claiming the rules were rigged afterwards doesn't do anyone any good. The rules were set by democratic vote in the first place. Apparently that's not good enough for some who lost the vote.

Howgozit

07-18-2014 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1686460)

Be careful that your reroute pay doesn't disappear after the trip is "closed" on your time card. There's a supervisor in scheduling who audits reroute pay and will take it off your time card if he doesn't think your situation met the criteria.

As I understand it, our contract basically says that reroute pay doesn't apply if the situation is beyond the control of the company. Most of the time, they are rerouting you due to weather, mechanical, etc., which are both things that are beyond the control of the company. However, Jim in scheduling (the supervisor who does the audit) seems to use the criteria that, if they could have gotten you back to base another way (i.e. deadhead) then you qualify for reroute pay. I've had good success calling him when my reroute pay magically disappeared from my time card and, after pleading my case (which was basically that they COULD have gotten me home if they really wanted to), he put it back on.

Anyway, if that rotation is still showing "open" on your time card, the reroute pay could still disappear. If it shows "closed" and the reroute pay is still there, then you're golden.

Hope that helps.

That helps. It's still showing open, I hope I get to keep the time.

forgot to bid

07-18-2014 04:27 AM

When do we announce our 51 A330 order?

Alan Shore

07-18-2014 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1686460)

Jim in scheduling (the supervisor who does the audit) seems to use the criteria that, if they could have gotten you back to base another way (i.e. deadhead) then you qualify for reroute pay.

He is exactly right. The trigger for reroute pay is not the reason for the reroute itself, but the reason for rerouting us beyond the time limit.

GunshipGuy

07-18-2014 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1686612)

I think you might be judging her for a mistake that someone else made (the network, the producers, the screeners, etc.). Or, is it her job to screen her guests, too? I think she gave him the benefit of the doubt, at first. So, I'm not sure of what she was supposed to do? ;)

I look forward to that beer, Buzz. The last 5 years have been better than the previous 8, so I have a lot of ammunition. :D

New, always ready to defend the lame even when there's an over abundance of evidence showing the big FAIL. Gotta love a network that has a race-baiting hate monger on its list of whacko character assassins (can you believe that anti-Semite was even on the stage during the debates in 2007???). What was she supposed to do? Maybe say so long to a prankster after he drops a Howard Stern fart bomb on you instead of asking for further details for a start. Maybe that sad excuse for a network will improve when some adults move back into 1600 Penn. Either that or they can do like Crazy Al and sell themselves to Al Jazeera.

gzsg	07-18-2014 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1686679)

And so here we get the essence of the forum/webboard mentality: the pilots are just not capable of making their own decisions so the forum guys have to make it for them. Thank god we have you here to decide for us.

Alpha

Just a direct answer.

What is your minimum hourly increase for C2015 date of signing?

Mine is 20%. Plus historic improvements in scope, work rules, medical and pension. This will get my yes vote.

Perhaps 20% is too low, but given those who are inside and work for management, i think its the best we can hope for.

Jerry

sailingfun

07-18-2014 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1686717)

I love the raise! What is your plan when management says not a chance let's meet again in 6 months?

alfaromeo

07-18-2014 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1686717)

Mine is 9000000%. See I am tougher than you.

DAL 88 Driver

07-18-2014 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1686718)

I love the raise! What is your plan when management says not a chance let's meet again in 6 months?

The DALPA plan: Tuck your tail between your legs and agree to 4%. "Oh, and Mr. Anderson sir, have we mentioned today what a great job we think you're doing running the airline?"

tsquare

07-18-2014 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1686717)

Your desire for a direct question isn't so direct. You ask about payrates. Then you talk about all the other things too. For instance you need to define what scope you are talking about. Lower end? Higher end? You seem to be a one issue voter frankly. If you don't get everything, in the numbers you want, it is a no from you. I respect that, but there are many that might not feel that way necessarily. I for one do not want to spend a single farthing for lower end scope. It's imploding anyway. I learned from last time. And trying to nail someone down for a percentage is ridiculous and banal. I don't care what the rates are per se, as long as my W2 sees in increase. If it is in work rules, (which I prefer) or in my retirement. I don't care. But there seems to be some johnson measuring going on here. "Our payrates have to exceed SWA's or FedEx's"(who by the way are still in contract negotiations) Don't care. I want better overall compensation, and you cannot necessarily put a number on it.

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