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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1686627)
Of course you'll poison the well and then leave, because YOU won't have to be here to suffer the results of your desire to burn down the house.
Are you squelching debate by shouting down those who don't share your opinion, and attempting to demagogue them? ("burn down the house??" Really?) That sounds like something a leftist like Barry would do...not something a self-proclaimed libertarian would do. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1686768)
None of us gets to decide for certain when we'll be "leaving" tsquare. And voicing my opinion isn't poisoning anything.
I'd rather stay to enjoy the results of a strong and united pilot group that stood up for what is right and what they deserve. A pilot group who isn't afraid to use the full complement of legal tools to lead the industry in every measurable metric. A pilot group who isn't afraid to fight for the compensation commensurate with pilots as great as Richard and Dickson says we are. If you call that burning the house down, you have bigger problems than I can solve. Carl And your first statement is complete and utter bulldung. We all know exactly when we will leave. We can leave before then if we invest wisely, or perhaps have a side business or other things, but we know of one specific date in time when we go away. Exactly, without doubt. Of course being that you are at the top of the food chain, and have been there for quite some time, I am guessing that all those ex wives and fast cars will necessitate your remaining around here for quite some time. I can tell you this. If I had your resume, I'd have 7 figures in the bank. If you don't, that's on you. You are as transparent as they come Carl. |
Hug your mothers gentlemen.
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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1686629)
Not to mention that she obviously didn't listen to what the man said... A better response would have been to sit there slack jawed rather than ask about his military training... Yeah.. he was right. MSNBC strikes again.
You know I love ya NewK, but it's not too much to ask of an anchor for them to actually listen to the person they're interviewing. Then make your follow up questions based upon what the person being interviewed actually says. It's also not too much to ask of a network to vet anyone they're going to put on the air live. And if you can't vet them, at least put them on a 10 second delay. Sum Ting Wong Ho Lee Fuk Carl |
It's because ALL the 24/7 news outlets hire talking heads with perfect hair/teeth/boobs and only ask what a producer in their headset asks. I'm not sure which is worse in that regard, FOX or MSNBC. One seems to prefer blonds:D
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TIME OUT TIME OUT TIME OUT
for a technical question............. I'm trying to do a swap with the pot. I'm swapping a trip later in Aug with any one of 4 trips earlier in Aug. Currently I have 4 separate swaps in, but can I do them in one? Will the system look at the first one I want then roll into the second I want etc. Or, did I do it right with 4 independent requests? Ferd |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1686778)
In your opinion, a pilot group is united as long as they see things your way. You have never demonstrated one instance of agreement with a group that doesn't believe it is Carl's way or the highway. Never.
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1686778)
And it is muvch much deeper than "voicing your opinion". I don't particularly want to go back to your post about "working to ensure that no more like you ever work in union work again".
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1686778)
And your first statement is complete and utter bulldung. We all know exactly when we will leave.
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1686778)
I can tell you this. If I had your resume, I'd have 7 figures in the bank. If you don't, that's on you.
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1686778)
You are as transparent as they come Carl.
Carl |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1686780)
Hug your mothers gentlemen.
Carl |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1686754)
Just a what if. If... there were 5 year category freezes, what if they had a pilot friendly "out". For example, what if you could put in your bid as a condition that if you got the bid based on a number/percentage, if you ever fell below that number/percentage, your freeze was lifted? I am not saying that I am in favor of 5 year freezes, but if they had a way out for things caused by management, they might be more acceptable. If management wants something that is viewed as onerous, if that can be eviscerated, it might not be so bad.
There was an airline in a galaxy far far away where you were either line or reserve. If you bid and could hold a line then you were a line holder. Way too many moving parts to try and do that now of course (i.e. temping to reserve some months) for me to suggest going back. Ferd |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1686746)
A plan cannot be developed until the objective is set. I would start with setting the objective of restoring our contract so that our compensation and work rules provide a standard of living comparable to what Delta pilots experienced in the 1980's though early 2000's time frame. I would communicate this objective clearly so that all concerned (line pilots, management, Wall Street, etc.) are aware of it. Accompanying this would be a lot of material showing exactly how much of a hit we've taken over the past decade, how much it would take to restore our compensation going forward, and how little pilot costs actually are in the grand scheme of things. Might not hurt to show how other employees (especially management) have mostly or even completely recovered (and in some cases even exceeded) their buying power from 10 years ago. What is DALPA's objective? Do you even know? Do any of us even know??
BTW, I don't disagree with you about not focusing solely on pay rates. Whatever it takes to increase the W2. Pay rates, work rules, or some combination of the two. Bottom line is that our compensation needs about a 50% boost for our buying power to be fully restored. That might be a little steep, given how much of a hole DALPA has dug us into over the past decade by acting like bankruptcy level compensation is the new normal and we're just happy for ANY improvement to that. So I might could agree to Jerry's 20% (to W2, not necessarily just pay rates) on day one... as long as the subsequent years of the contract provided some pretty significant improvements as well. The second is stating how little we cost. Pilot costs have historically run from 6 to 10 percent of the cost to produce our product. You will not find anyone who has ever run a business call that little especially in view of the fact this is a industry with many fixed costs. When you start this campaign management will simply state that Delta pilots are the best compensated pilots in the US passenger airline industry. The rest will fall to the NMB. What is your plan for them. |
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