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Flamer 02-07-2014 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1576304)
Dude, the negotiator notepads and Roadshow slides are on the DALPA website, could you source where in any of that massive amount of information put out the "union" was "pushing BIG hiring" in the fall of 2012?

The staffing slides in Touch and goes 12-06 sure painted a hiring picture with a signed TA.

Purple Drank 02-07-2014 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1576304)
Dude, the negotiator notepads and Roadshow slides are on the DALPA website, could you source where in any of that massive amount of information put out the "union" was "pushing BIG hiring" in the fall of 2012?

I have to ask. Did the company and DALPA coordinate talking points on this?

DALPA saw the company's implicit promise of hiring...yet did NOTHING to refute it--and even played along with just enough couched language to retain plausible deniability now.

Why didn't DALPA say "C12 stands on its merits even if hiring doesn't happen for a while."

Probably because C12 did not stand on its own merits, and needed every equivocation and questionable interpretation possible to ensure it was passed.

DALPA is doing a fine job of serving as the company's pilot communications department. Why else are the apologists here, pretending "C12 is great! No changes needed! We knocked it out of the park!"

Come to think of it...is 76drvr (and others) a union guy or a company guy? There's a problem when we can't tell the difference.

daldude 02-07-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1576345)
There's a big difference in seniority between 16 and 18 years. I'm right at 16 years and my number is around 7300. I've been a Captain for 7 years but at the very bottom of the 88 and on reserve the vast majority of the time working almost all weekends and holidays. (I always bid for a line too.)

Not complaining... but just pointing out that your post is not quite 100% accurate.

Captain in 9 years. Way to go. I would think many would like to have your career.
For additional perspective, I was hired hired 13 years ago am 9700 on the list cannot hold the most jr capt position in the company for another 6 years and do not crack 6000 until 2023.

I'm totally complaining. But 9 years...I would love to upgrade in 15 or 16 or 19 years. Just saying

tsquare 02-07-2014 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1576052)
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. ;)

Shouldn't that be "Even a nut finds a blind squirrel"?

DAL 88 Driver 02-07-2014 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1576544)
Captain in 9 years. Way to go. I would think many would like to have your career.
For additional perspective, I was hired hired 13 years ago am 9700 on the list cannot hold the most jr capt position in the company for another 6 years and do not crack 6000 until 2023.

I'm totally complaining. But 9 years...I would love to upgrade in 15 or 16 or 19 years. Just saying

Like I said, I'm not complaining... especially about that aspect. (Although it's not exactly as great as it sounds. I was a TWA new hire in 1989... so it took me 18 years in the majors to upgrade to Captain at 47 years old). As anyone who's been in this career more than a few years knows, it's all about timing and to a certain degree luck of the draw. It SUCKS to be a 2000/2001 hire at Delta. No doubt about it. I'm sorry you're having to endure that. Hopefully going forward we'll get some better representation (one way or the other) and at least SOME of the dollars you missed out on during "the lost decade" can be recouped. I hope so.

ROBO320 02-07-2014 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1576487)
You should get 2:00 above gauantee and 1 PB day in the bank for the reserve month.
Also you should get 7:37 at double pay, no credit as long as you have 75:00 of monthly credit on your time card for the lineholder month.



THANKS! Exactly as I thought. 7 phone calls. 3 different groups. Only one that was truly wrong. Curtis at ALPA

shiznit 02-07-2014 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by ROBO320 (Post 1576561)
THANKS! Exactly as I thought. 7 phone calls. 3 different groups. Only one that was truly wrong. Curtis at ALPA

What did Curtis say? He's normally spot on. I question my conclusion if it's different than his.

LivingTheDream 02-07-2014 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1576582)
What did Curtis say? He's normally spot on. I question my conclusion if it's different than his.

I cannot begin to tell you how many times C has been wrong when I have dealt with him... Again, when I speak with him, I feel like I'm speaking with management... Know your contract!

DAL 88 Driver 02-07-2014 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by LivingTheDream (Post 1576605)
I cannot begin to tell you how many times C has been wrong when I have dealt with him... Again, when I speak with him, I feel like I'm speaking with management... Know your contract!

I've only dealt with Curtis a handful of times, but he's been spot on and very helpful in my experience.

LandGreen2 02-07-2014 12:56 PM

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