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Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1475805)
He is, perhaps, the most vile human being I've ever met. His wife was a piece of work also. Former wife. Something about a masseuse in a hotel on the west coast.
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Originally Posted by hitimefurl
(Post 1475967)
Good grief. What does it take for you to say on topic. I never said a word about all LOAs being voted on by the pilots.
C2K, LOA 46, LOA51, and C2K were all Contract Votes that's what I was talking about. That and the difference between 62% and 63% isn't that much considering the bankruptcy was in the middle. MEMRAT on the contract is our tool. It's either been used or it hasn't and there's no reason to believe a change in power will change this vote split very much. Almost the same vote 12 years apart has nothing to do with the sale of the product as it does the individual pilots, unless you think that 62% of the pilots are idiots? A perfect vote for management would be 51%. The DPA in it's current form is unprepared to unify the pilot group at all and ALPA needs to reunify the group. If you want to go down the MEMRAT every LOA path then it needs to start somewhere and it's probably the way MEMRAT started in the first place, by a resolution. Even though I don't agree with him at all on the DPA/ALPA discussion, I had a similar reaction to your post. If you're going to talk about the strengths of ALPA, or the weaknesses of DPA, you have a lot to work with. ALPA's approach to MEMRAT is probably not on the top ten. I've been ready, willing, and able to vote on a lot of significant LOA's, but alas, my participation has not been required. The real lever we have is in electing good reps, and booting them if we're dissatisfied. That's about it. Furthermore, considering the various NDA's, I've been having to trust my reps to make the right choice, even though I can't peek over their shoulder at the data, to confirm they've arrived at the right conclusion. DPA looks like an inferior product to me. I don't see the plan, and I don't see the point. myALPA comes with a number of better features, but an unlimited MEMRAT plan isn't one of them. |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1476007)
How Purple came off my ignore list, I do not know, but he's been trying to lay down arguments that didn't sound like tantrums, and I've been doing him the courtesy of reading his stuff without automatically disagreeing.
Even though I don't agree with him at all on the DPA/ALPA discussion, I had a similar reaction to your post. If you're going to talk about the strengths of ALPA, or the weaknesses of DPA, you have a lot to work with. ALPA's approach to MEMRAT is probably not on the top ten. I've been ready, willing, and able to vote on a lot of significant LOA's, but alas, my participation has not been required. The real lever we have is in electing good reps, and booting them if we're dissatisfied. That's about it. Furthermore, considering the various NDA's, I've been having to trust my reps to make the right choice, even though I can't peek over their shoulder at the data, to confirm they've arrived at the right conclusion. DPA looks like an inferior product to me. I don't see the plan, and I don't see the point. myALPA comes with a number of better features, but an unlimited MEMRAT plan isn't one of them. Additionally, the decision as to what constitutes a "significant" contract change is never our decision to make, thereby (theirbuy? they're by?) removing the teeth from MEMRAT. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1476017)
Long ago, I came to the conclusion that NDAs only serve to distance reps from those who they represent and nothing else.
Additionally, the decision as to what constitutes a "significant" contract change is never our decision to make, thereby (theirbuy? they're by?) removing the teeth from MEMRAT. Perhaps someone with first hand knowledge and experience can chime in here, but I can't see the company revealing secret, insider information when talking to our reps. Airline management is much better at negotiating than we are, so any offered information that needs to be protected via a NDA is crafted solely to be to their benefit and not ours. |
Duplicate post.,,,
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1475805)
He is, perhaps, the most vile human being I've ever met. His wife was a piece of work also. Former wife. Something about a masseuse in a hotel on the west coast.
Ladies and Gentlemen - Introducing the most vile human being in the world. He doesn't always drink beer, but when he does its Olde English 800 in 40 oz. bottles. Stay Thirsty. Scoop :) |
Originally Posted by Express pilot
(Post 1475850)
Base that has the best trips for 73n
You better ask an Alaskan Pilot. Scoop :D |
No mention of the Korean Air 380 in Atlanta today?
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 1475858)
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This is true, but there is more. Let's say, for instance, that a lot of people are really crabby about what they see as sub-par pay increases in the TA, but their rep VOTED for the TA. There is always the ability to recall your rep. It is easy, and a far, far easier way to send a message than doing a representational election. Get 10 or 20 of your closest buds. Inform the Council Chairman that you request a special LEC meeting, with one thing on the agenda (they do NOT have the option of saying no). The meeting gets scheduled and you stack the room with you and your closest friends (shouldn't be hard, right? You say lots of people are mad). The agenda item passes, and it goes to a council wide vote. Assuming a majority of the pilots in the base think they way you do, then it's hasta la vista. Then you get to elect someone who thinks like you (assuming that a majority of people also think like you). You clip off a couple of reps like this to "send a message", and believe me, the message gets delivered VERY effectively. |
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