Unless wrong data is used/inputted, then a blind 3 deg/sec will result in a tail strike. That's the issue most here are correctly discussing. "Feeling" the airplane shouldn't be outlawed by procedures that are only necessary when accelerate/go distance is the limiting factor. You need to know how to do a 3 deg/sec takeoff, but only actually use it when needed to meet actual performance requirements.

Carl

Very True -

AND you don't have to worry about delaying the rotation so long at high weights, temperatures, altitudes, and V speeds that you start exceeding real limitations - like tire ground speed limits.

Who here likes blown tire FOD damage?

Agree with Carl here; at the moment you rotate, there is a brief discovery process that determines whether the numbers you're using are correct. It doesn't matter then where a mistake was made, it just matters that you're validating the process in a very short period, with your capable hands and your superior judgement.

A rotation is an analog event, not a digital process.

Agree with Carl here; at the moment you rotate, there is a brief discovery process that determines whether the numbers you're using are correct. It doesn't matter then where a mistake was made, it just matters that you're validating the underlying data, and your correct application of the resulting numbers, in a very short period, with your capable hands and your superior judgement.

A rotation is an analog process, not a digital event.

That's pilot poetry right there boys.

Amen Brother!

I just don't think it's very appropriate to try to slam your tail skid on the way out, onto something you tried to kiss ever so subtly on the way in. I figure a runway should only be faintly aware of my departure by the void it feels until my next gentle, soft visit.

Love your runway, and your runway will faithfully welcome you back.

True. Using the logic applied to takeoffs, we should all just chop the power at 50 feet, maintain Vref+5 until impact and apply maximum braking and reverse thrust until a complete stop on a 2 mile long runway. Because someday when its raining in LGA we'll just float all they way down to the end and into the drink. :rolleyes:

That right there is funny, true but still funny!
Otoh ...some of those guys are pretty knowledgeable, just wish they were seniority list instructors.