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Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1393316)

True. Using the logic applied to takeoffs, we should all just chop the power at 50 feet, maintain Vref+5 until impact and apply maximum braking and reverse thrust until a complete stop on a 2 mile long runway. Because someday when its raining in LGA we'll just float all they way down to the end and into the drink. :rolleyes:

That's not secret sinkr8 pilot poetry society material but it's just as beautiful. +1

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Originally Posted by hammer189 (Post 1393309)

Amen Brother!

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Cheers
George

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Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1392912)

Well said sir. I was in SVO when the 767 tailstrike happened. I heard it was a new hire FO, which makes sense because at the time the sim instructors were all breathing down your neck (literally) about "getting that nose up to V2-V2+10 right away!!!" The sim just doesn't rotate like an aft CG 7ER on a cold day. Maybe he rotated early too, I don't know, but I completely agree we are teaching a method that should really be considered a Transport Category airplane's version of a short field takeoff. No need to do anything quickly in a 400,000lb airplane.

I've heard this story before and would like to know if he was an RJ driver as the rumor goes. The reason I ask is that I am one of those 07' hires that went to the ER as my first plane at Delta. I am on the 737 now and get a lot of Captains I fly with in the opening breifing telling me not to rotate fast like I am in an RJ. Funny thing is I have never flown an RJ as I was a KC-135 pilot prior Delta. I guess being in my 40s and looking like I'm in my 20s is not best with this group...

So do RJ pilots really pop it off the runway, or is that just a rumor?

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Originally Posted by hammer189 (Post 1393309)

Amen Brother!

No kidding.

Good prep for operating Douglas jets.

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Originally Posted by DARR31 (Post 1393410)

So do RJ pilots really pop it off the runway, or is that just a rumor?

They shouldn't. Variations of the CRJ wing have had something like four fatal wingtip stall, loss of control events. They did not have to worry about tail strikes, but the supercritical (likes M.82 to .85) wing with no slats is a ground lover. (which is why most RJ guys shrug off descriptions of no flap T38 flying)

I'm a former corporate jet, RJ puke and instructors have been telling me to rotate faster ever since I got to Delta.

Like most of the experienced hands; it is best to slowly rotate to the appropriate pitch attitude and let it fly off unless you're not seeing red and white lights any more.

Some very good friends of Carl and mine are dead due to over aggressive rotation to nail V2. They were doing aircraft certification work, but the lessons they learned are worth repeating. Importantly; stalls in ground effect are not well documented and are not tested. While the Boeing fleet is generally limited by it's geometry (tail strikes) the Douglas fleet is not. Usually the stalling AOA in ground effect is 15 to 20% less than in free air and the propagation is instant and ugly. Especially when cross controlled the Douglas fleet did not leave me with the warm and fuzzy that the wing had a whole lot more left to give.

Guess what other airplane the folks that gave our friends the bad data worked on ... Again, my procedure in Douglas is fast as I can justify until the Captain begins to complain, then back it off 1 knot.

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Originally Posted by DARR31 (Post 1393410)

I sure didn't....nor did anyone that respected the history of the CRJ. As BB said, the CRJ 200 has quite the scary wing. Gently rotate and she'll fly when she's ready!

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Originally Posted by DARR31 (Post 1393410)

So do RJ pilots really pop it off the runway, or is that just a rumor?

Some but not very many.

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Originally Posted by DARR31 (Post 1393410)

So do RJ pilots really pop it off the runway, or is that just a rumor?

On the ERJ-145 I can remember pulling the nose up and then unloading the back pressure while the mains were still on the ground and it'd fly right off without a thumping sound you normally made. I don't think you could yank it off very well but it's been 7 yeas since I flew the E145 model.