Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1358553)

Really! We are voting what we should call the quick turn process. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1358715)

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1358715)

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1358575)

Ask what State they are current and legal to practice law in. You may be very surprised by the answer you get ... .

Would our employers pay us to fly if we did not bother completing our continuing education requirements to maintain licensure?

Should a non-member consultant, giving legal opinions without a license to do so, have more of a voice than the membership of a union who pays the dues? Should an ALPA National consultant participate as the primary arbitor of a local political body?

Not stating anything; just asking relevant questions about basic governance. It would seem there is more than a little irony in Alpharomeo's concept of "discipline."

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1357767)

I don't have one and im sure it was secret, I just wanted to have a Rick Roll link in there. :D

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1358887)

Padre,

What is illogical about expecting a professional to maintain their certification as is required under regulation? My understanding is that some who are providing legal advice have not met the minimum standard to continue practicing. You don't think this tells us something? Would an airline employ you or I if we failed to bother completing the certification requirements of our profession?

... and yes, I believe there are many more qualified choices. For one, to actually do anything ALPA would have to hire someone else who could advocate in a public forum.

Since you dug this hole, I will tell you what is at the bottom of it. "Our attorney" is not ours, nor is he a member of the Bar. While I'm no expert on Bar rules, a common language reading of the rule suggests that it is inappropriate that he practice law without a license to do so. So what is he? Why does he earn as much as two of our most senior Captains, combined?

Obviously the answer is politics. Such a person would be an ALPA National Political Officer. He admittedly has a greater voice than the dues paying members of our union. He is able to stop the democratic process and able to sidetrack the proper governance of our association.

We need to be smart. The fact that we have "attorneys" who's power is limited to the King's ear should tell you something about their role, as well as the advice they provide. Such counsel is a man practicing politics, not law. His opinions are political opinions, not a legal opinions.

You and I elect the politicians we want to represent us. Our voice should not be silenced by a non member political consultant.

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Disclaimer: Nothing in this post has anything to do with any one specific person or group. It is a theoretical discussion of something that may, or may not, have happened. The Delta MEC can accept advice from anyone they want and that person can get paid whatever they can get paid. Who knows, they might even suggest a lawsuit or Section VIII against me ... and oh how I would welcome a hearing board.

Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 1161597)

There's a pretty good food fight going on over on the Cargo forum. It concerns the firing of 5 FDX HKG-based pilots for alleged non-compliance with a signed LOA.

Here's my question: Based on 2ND HAND info, I was told that Alpa lawyers, met with FDX legal and some of the involved crewmembers. The Alpa lawyers told the crewdogs that they were there to represent the association, NOT the affected crewmembers.

I don't know how accurate this account is, but does not Alpa have a DFR to their individual members in these instances ? ( wrongful termination) If not, why are we paying dues ?? :confused:

Thanks,
BG

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1358887)

Padre,

What is illogical about expecting a professional to maintain their certification as is required under regulation? My understanding is that some who are providing legal advice have not met the minimum standard to continue practicing. You don't think this tells us something? Would an airline employ you or I if we failed to bother completing the certification requirements of our profession?

... and yes, I believe there are many more qualified choices. For one, to actually do anything ALPA would have to hire someone else who could advocate in a public forum.

Since you dug this hole, I will tell you what is at the bottom of it. "Our attorney" is not ours, nor is he a member of the Bar. While I'm no expert on Bar rules, a common language reading of the rule suggests that it is inappropriate that he practice law without a license to do so. So what is he? Why does he earn as much as two of our most senior Captains, combined?

Obviously the answer is politics. Such a person would be an ALPA National Political Officer. He admittedly has a greater voice than the dues paying members of our union. He is able to stop the democratic process and able to sidetrack the proper governance of our association.

We need to be smart. The fact that we have "attorneys" who's power is limited to the King's ear should tell you something about their role, as well as the advice they provide. Such counsel is a man practicing politics, not law. His opinions are political opinions, not a legal opinions.

You and I elect the politicians we want to represent us. Our voice should not be silenced by a non member political consultant.

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Disclaimer: Nothing in this post has anything to do with any one specific person or group. It is a theoretical discussion of something that may, or may not, have happened. The Delta MEC can accept advice from anyone they want and that person can get paid whatever they can get paid. Who knows, they might even suggest a lawsuit or Section VIII against me ... and oh how I would welcome a hearing board.

Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1358867)

BB, are you making a logical argument here? You are saying that a license and membership in a group would have resulted in accurate advice?

Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1358867)

Aside from the issue at hand, you'd prefer a new attorney's advice that just passed the bar exam, and was a Delta pilot, over someone with decades of experience? Does that make sense?

Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1358867)

If you want to attack the advice, have at it. But you've made an illogical argument to try to make your case.

Originally Posted by Raging white (Post 1358925)

Is this true?! Not a member of the bar? Before I call my rep on Monday to have him explain how this is good for us, I just want to make sure