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SailorJerry 12-24-2012 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1318033)

Let me get this straight, you just said that TW made Delta Air Lines sign Pinnacle's scope clause?

Don't get me wrong, we(DALPA) should have been there but maybe, just maybe you should be pointing the finger at OUR guy LM.

Also let it be said, again I don't like how it went but they get an interview(something DAL pilots don't control) and planes that WE just signed off on. Nothing else.

And that will be the argument of all the fine folks in the upper echelon of the 4th floor who thought that this would be a good idea.

My guess is that Lee Moak was off the clock when this was put together. He may be a signatory to the TA, but I doubt he'll have any necessity to scrutinize it or be briefed on it, until it comes time to put pen to paper. So then he can burn another airline down, just like Duane Woerth did to CC Air.

Either way - at some point, even if its in a galaxy far far away, we'll need to hire. This 9E TA is simply a good indication or the company's upcoming staffing desperation. UA is spinning numbers of hiring 400-600 just to cover work rule changes. AAL will be hiring once all their furloughs are back. And we, will wait, until the last possible minute, and then have an entire airline to evaporate at the rate of 12 a month. Which isn't even close to what we'll need to interview a month, but it puts negative pressure on the urgency to lead the pack in terms of our PWA to attract the best, and most qualified real applicants.

Bucking Bar 12-24-2012 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1318063)
And that will be the argument of all the fine folks in the upper echelon of the 4th floor who thought that this would be a good idea.

My guess is that Lee Moak was off the clock when this was put together. He may be a signatory to the TA, but I doubt he'll have any necessity to scrutinize it or be briefed on it, until it comes time to put pen to paper. So then he can burn another airline down, just like Duane Woerth did to CC Air.

Either way - at some point, even if its in a galaxy far far away, we'll need to hire. This 9E TA is simply a good indication or the company's upcoming staffing desperation. UA is spinning numbers of hiring 400-600 just to cover work rule changes. AAL will be hiring once all their furloughs are back. And we, will wait, until the last possible minute, and then have an entire airline to evaporate at the rate of 12 a month. Which isn't even close to what we'll need to interview a month, but it puts negative pressure on the urgency to lead the pack in terms of our PWA to attract the best, and most qualified real applicants.

Actually, there is a final review process by which ALPA's Representation Dept and President must review an agreement for compliance before the President's signature. Further, ALPA's Executive Council can over ride the President. Word of this agreement needs to get out to the MEC Chairmen at FedEx and UCal.

While I strongly suspect Lee Moak was involved, I don't have any proof. This is straightforward based solely on the Bridge Agreement itself. No need to muddy the issue with innuendo.

Bucking Bar 12-24-2012 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1318063)
And that will be the argument of all the fine folks in the upper echelon of the 4th floor who thought that this would be a good idea.

They broke the Mechanic's union. This is potentially fatal to ALPA on the Delta property.

That is why ALPAs internal processes have to work.

lolwut 12-24-2012 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1318114)
They broke the Mechanic's union. This is potentially fatal to ALPA on the Delta property.

That is why ALPAs internal processes have to work.

Yep this seems like a good start to having thousands of guarenteed replacement workers prescreened and ready for any time you Delta pilots think about showing some unity.

Denny Crane 12-24-2012 10:17 AM

Hey, how 'bout them Seahawks!! 150 points in 3 games! I think the 49ers are still wondering what hit them!!!:D

Denny

cni187 12-24-2012 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1318156)
Hey, how 'bout them Seahawks!! 150 points in 3 games! I think the 49ers are still wondering what hit them!!!:D

Denny

Die hard 49ers fan here and yes that was a butt kicking. What made it worse I'm on a layover in Seattle. Ouch!

johnso29 12-24-2012 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1318156)
Hey, how 'bout them Seahawks!! 150 points in 3 games! I think the 49ers are still wondering what hit them!!!:D

Denny

The way they're playing, I don't see how they won't take the NFC. They've come alive big time. I was hoping they'd both lose last night.

Signed, a bitter STL Lambs..I mean Rams fan. :o :D

TANSTAAFL 12-24-2012 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1317988)
I'm amazed you think otherwise works. :eek:

Perhaps you can provide an example of a group that's been successful with a strong arm method? Maybe UAL/CAL? Or APA? Or......or.......or USAPA? Pffftttt....I can't do this anymore. I can't....stop......lau.....laugh......laughing!!!! :p

Looks like you are buying into the urban myth straw man arguements that the engagement crowd uses to rationalize that any other tactics are a fail. Hint - it's not black or white, engagement or APA. Engagement is the first choice if it works, but it takes two. There is a spectrum of responses and leverage when it doesn't. The problem is when you are so enamoured of engagement that you no longer have the cajones to exercise leverage when needed. Of course when you set the bar so low you stub your toe you can always claim success.

There are increasing events where management is not engaging DALPA when they could (330-300 CROT, Virgin Atlantic, PCL Bridge) and have simply jammed it to DALPA yet the usual suspects are clinging to the "RA thinks the pilots are important" line while he is probably laughing at the MEC's lack of backbone. I'm sure they are sad to see O'Malley go.

RA is not your Daddy's DAL CEO - he is mean lean, probably the best airline manager in the world and is no friend of labor. If anyone thinks he's the pilots friend they are being led perilously astray. Engagement is working for RA, I question it's continuing value to us if trends continue.

iceman49 12-24-2012 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1318063)
And that will be the argument of all the fine folks in the upper echelon of the 4th floor who thought that this would be a good idea.

My guess is that Lee Moak was off the clock when this was put together. He may be a signatory to the TA, but I doubt he'll have any necessity to scrutinize it or be briefed on it, until it comes time to put pen to paper. So then he can burn another airline down, just like Duane Woerth did to CC Air.

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Wasn't CC Air purchased by Mesa?

iceman49 12-24-2012 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1318114)
They broke the Mechanic's union. This is potentially fatal to ALPA on the Delta property.

That is why ALPAs internal processes have to work.

Bar, explain your first sentence. Thanks


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