Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1323453)

An autocratic, authoritarian, secretive, "none of your business" administration of our union leads to the line guys being dismayed and apathetic. The Chicken laid the egg and tries to keep the Chicks in line. As the chicks realize the Chicken is nothing more than a tyrant fattened by being the largest animal in the barnyard, the chicks get increasingly apathetic about the health of said Chicken. After all, after laying the egg, the Chicken contributed little to the brood.

A better barnyard would be use the chicks, chicken and rooster to protect the perimeter from incursion from other hungry birds.

It would seem we invite crows, pigeons and even a couple of hawks into our barnyard ... then we hear the adult birds squawk about "unity" wondering why we aren't all Chickens!

Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 1323452)

so it looks as if you guys are buying us, we are either the next comair, or the next destroy, rebuild and sell for huge profits. I have always wondered this question, maybe someone can answer it for me. I am not suggesting that this should happen or that we even deserve it but what is the difference lets say between delta buying alaska and delta buying pinnacle. Both have unions but in one case it would trigger a pilot seniority list integration and in the other it does nothing. What does your scope clause say about this or does nothing happen because one is a regional? Its just a question that I have always been curious about. What is ALPA nationals position on the matter? Also, please dont view this post as a regional punk just trying to get to mainline, Im just trying to understand policy in these situations.

Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 1323452)

what is the difference lets say between delta buying alaska and delta buying pinnacle. Both have unions but in one case it would trigger a pilot seniority list integration and in the other it does nothing.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1321473)

I'm not gonna quote your whole rant, but I take it you aren't on RES. I haven't ever seen them "back off". The FAA wouldn't care either given the fact it's an ELECTRONIC schedule check. Just like the PWA mandates it on your day off - but that's not day 1 of 7 for your 24 in 7 look back is it?

Don't set people up to get themselves handed a no show because they read what you wrote. It's simply not the way things are done. Never said I like it, or support it, because its a massive detriment to my quality of life, but it is, even if you whine about it, the way it is.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1323496)

I've done plenty of reserve and have worked through this issue many times. Every time they try and pressure you to accept a mandatory obligation. It being "electronic" does not magically make it OK. Ask them on tape if they are giving you a mandatory obligation to the company within your 24 hour FAR rest. On more than a few occasions when this issue was pushed, which was basically every time a 30 in 7 24 hour FAR rest was an issue, I got it resolved. Every single time. But you have to push for it.

Like I said, they can give you any assignment they want before you start your 24 hours FAR rest. OR, they can force you to check your schedule the second your rest is over and accept an immediate report, or any report thereafter. But they can't use the time between the end of your rest and the start of whatever they gave you "in the dark" while you were on FAR rest with NO OBLIGATION TO THE COMPANY WHATSOEVER as retroactive rest.

If they don't put it on your line at least 1 minute before you are released to FAR rest, then you are either on long call (default) or you have to check your schedule the minute after your FAR rest, which constitutes a break in rest for the purpose of lookback rest to accept future assignments. So a midnight to midnight FAR rest could have a 00:01 report or a 07:59 report, or of course anything later. But anything between 00:01 and 07:59 would require loockback rest starting at 00:01 and you could not go for a max duty day starting at report, unless you were notified of it prior to your FAR rest, or if you freely chose to check during your FAR rest. But you have to freely chose to do it, as you have no obligation to the company during a FAR rest. None. Zero.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1322927)

Having to fund your own retirement and health care takes the "rich" out of "rich." It is not unfair, it simply is what it is. My father's generation could enjoy their money, buy toys, live like there was no tomorrow, because tomorrow was taken care of.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1323236)

Last I checked, the JV numbers were in compliance, and trending in the right direction.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1323376)

well, its a route that AMR flies three times daily with a 738, i think SWA adds one more flight. but while the tickets aren't that expensive evidently its a route with a lot of high valued music folks shuttling between Nashville and L.A.

and now he we come. in the past it sure looks like everyone has their territories on the domestic side and then refrain from infringing on others even if it means capitulating. See Delta/Alaska add an example.

its just interesting we are bowing up and pushing into such a route into a hub that we seem to be handing over to Alaska.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1323460)

Now you're really kidding yourself. If we were Venezuela, maybe.

Nothing prevents us from walking into meetings and steering this thing a bit. I understand there are games played with votes and meetings, and maybe you can save yourself from an angry mob use Robert's rules once, but in a democracy, a government is nothing but a giant mirror.

Take the idiots in Congress...

Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1323483)

Because Pinnacle will be operated as a subsidiary with a separate operating certificate, where as AK, should it ever transpire would most likely be a merger.