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80ktsClamp 10-31-2012 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1285828)
The real answer is that the jobs are not nearly as good as what is posted here and work conditions are in general horrible. There are some good expat jobs but they are not the norm.

The fact is they pay great because it's not as desireable. Only a few people will move half way around the world for a job. It's really not much more complicated than that.

TenYearsGone 10-31-2012 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1285782)
The concern is not over foreign carriers (except for cabotage which is a different threat), but more for the concern of a foreign investor being able to own a controlling interest in a US airline. There are many reasons why we should fear this. A few off the top of mind:

-a foreign owner/government may not be compelled to honor our labor laws/contracts
-a foreign owner/government may dismantle our operations and replace it with cheaper labor, crappy mx, etc
-national security is considerably impacted as our CRAF response would be dictated by a foreign owner/government

This is scary stuff and has nothing to do with ALPA or dues money.

Bingo! The scenario exists in the Cruise industry. Carnival Cruise Lines is a US company that hardly pays any US taxes. All most all their Captains are Italians and their ship board "help" are majority from the Philippines. Their boats are registered in other countries too.

Airlines, like GOL, are a threat to the Delta Pilots. Last I heard, the pay/workrules at GOL were atrocious.

TEN

Sink r8 11-01-2012 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1285836)
...most all their Captains are Italians...

What could possibly go wrong, then?

(That's an early morning softball for you, ftb)

Mike Hancho 11-01-2012 03:31 AM

Ok good, then it's not just me. I wasn't supprised to see the side bar ads from Delta, Lund and Bike Nashbar, but wasn't sure where this other stuff came from. While the Ukrainian woman are closer to my age, the ad generator must think that Philipinos are more to my taste.

scambo1 11-01-2012 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by Mike Hancho (Post 1285853)
Ok good, then it's not just me. I wasn't supprised to see the side bar ads from Delta, Lund and Bike Nashbar, but wasn't sure where this other stuff came from. While the Ukrainian woman are closer to my age, the ad generator must think that Philipinos are more to my taste.


If we channel Jesse, maybe we can get Costa Rica surf school, Asian singles, Ukranian singles, Philipine singles and any other good ones to all move 2.8 miles from each of us. :eek: Whaddaya say?



Or, we can go work for Emirates and they will all live in the same highrise as we do...

sailingfun 11-01-2012 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1285831)
The fact is they pay great because it's not as desireable. Only a few people will move half way around the world for a job. It's really not much more complicated than that.

The vast majority of foreign airlines do not pay great. There are a select few. The rest are crap. Just like in the US the crap airlines are killing the legacies. The exception is some mid and Far East airlines. Look carefully however at their scheduling practices. 22 days away from home can be the norm.

scambo1 11-01-2012 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1285857)
The vast majority of foreign airlines do not pay great. There are a select few. The rest are crap. Just like in the US the crap airlines are killing the legacies. The exception is some mid and Far East airlines. Look carefully however at their scheduling practices. 22 days away from home can be the norm.

I don't know if you can make a blanket statement like the "vast majority." There are certainly tiers within the expat contract flying, just like there are in the US. However, if a stagnant RJ captain is looking at his options, IMO going expat young is probably a very sober choice.

slowplay 11-01-2012 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1285771)
If you are asking why ALPA is in such a panic over foreign owned airlines the answer is simple.

They don't pay dues.

Of all the unbelievably stupid things written on this forum, this one has to lead the pack.:mad:

This week there was an article in the NYT extolling cabotage. Em R Rats is making the political rounds to be allowed to "invest" in AMR. Look what's happening to Qantas to see the results of that type of "investment." I'm sure you'd think it wonderful if you applied Middle Eastern labor law (none) and Middle Eastern union regulation (unions not allowed) and the worst international "flag of convenience" FTDT rules while operating in the US and protected by "extraterritoriality." Brilliant!

So if you want the US Airline industry to be like the US maritime industry, keep sniping at the only group trying to protect you and your job from yourself. Just don't beyotch when you get what you want.

SailorJerry 11-01-2012 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1285831)

The fact is they pay great because it's not as desireable. Only a few people will move half way around the world for a job. It's really not much more complicated than that.

So remind me why Delta pilots fell short with 4/8/3/3? Quit making this place seem more desirable than it is!

SailorJerry 11-01-2012 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1285866)

Of all the unbelievably stupid things written on this forum, this one has to lead the pack.:mad:

This week there was an article in the NYT extolling cabotage. Em R Rats is making the political rounds to be allowed to "invest" in AMR. Look what's happening to Qantas to see the results of that type of "investment." I'm sure you'd think it wonderful if you applied Middle Eastern labor law (none) and Middle Eastern union regulation (unions not allowed) and the worst international "flag of convenience" FTDT rules while operating in the US and protected by "extraterritoriality." Brilliant!

So if you want the US Airline industry to be like the US maritime industry, keep sniping at the only group trying to protect you and your job from yourself. Just don't beyotch when you get what you want.

Maybe we should close the skies. The EU wants carbon emission credits. How about the US Government charges foreign flight crews 1.90% per hour they spend being manhandled by NY Approach.


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