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bluejuice71 10-31-2012 06:04 PM

Anyone got any intel on Dickson's lounge briefing today?

Flamer 10-31-2012 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 1285736)
Anyone got any intel on Dickson's lounge briefing today?

Or any fist fights due to the "other" meeting that went on in the ATL lounge today?

GunshipGuy 10-31-2012 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1285704)
The golden day pilot is only good till noon where the X day guy is good all next day. That is schedulings logic. Been there done it.

So they can ignore the contract when it's deemed to be what the scheduler believes to be the better choice? OK, got it. I'll use that argument when I tell them it would be cheaper to give me, the 5 yr resv guy a GS over a 15 reg line holder.:rolleyes:

FlyZ 10-31-2012 06:52 PM

Regarding the foreign airlines, I have an honest question. If the average big international carrier has better pay, better progression, better benefits, and more of a drastic need for pilots, what would happen if foreign ownership restrictions are relaxed? I read ALPA's piece on it already. However, aren't Singapore, JAL, Asiana, Emirates etc ALREADY under foreign ownership? Meaning, most of us would be happy to have their progression, payscales, etc "imposed" on us. I would think the foreign pilots would be the ones concerned about it, if they do indeed have it that much better than us. Aren't they worried about Delta becoming the underpaid, overworked regional airline, existing to use our cheap labor to fill their 777s and 787s?

Check Essential 10-31-2012 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1285766)
Regarding the foreign airlines, I have an honest question. If the average big international carrier has better pay, better progression, better benefits, and more of a drastic need for pilots, what would happen if foreign ownership restrictions are relaxed? I read ALPA's piece on it already. However, aren't Singapore, JAL, Asiana, Emirates etc ALREADY under foreign ownership? Meaning, most of us would be happy to have their progression, payscales, etc "imposed" on us. I would think the foreign pilots would be the ones concerned about it, if they do indeed have it that much better than us. Aren't they worried about Delta becoming the underpaid, overworked regional airline, existing to use our cheap labor to fill their 777s and 787s?

If you are asking why ALPA is in such a panic over foreign owned airlines the answer is simple.

They don't pay dues.

flyallnite 10-31-2012 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1285766)
Regarding the foreign airlines, I have an honest question. If the average big international carrier has better pay, better progression, better benefits, and more of a drastic need for pilots, what would happen if foreign ownership restrictions are relaxed? I read ALPA's piece on it already. However, aren't Singapore, JAL, Asiana, Emirates etc ALREADY under foreign ownership? Meaning, most of us would be happy to have their progression, payscales, etc "imposed" on us. I would think the foreign pilots would be the ones concerned about it, if they do indeed have it that much better than us. Aren't they worried about Delta becoming the underpaid, overworked regional airline, existing to use our cheap labor to fill their 777s and 787s?

One thing's for sure, there wouldn't be any more 75 year old Flight Attendants. Overall, I think it would be neutral for the piloting profession--there are highly compensated pilots all over the world today and the demand is increasing. It would probably not be good for US carriers, unless they were taken over by a foreign entity.

LeineLodge 10-31-2012 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1285766)
Regarding the foreign airlines, I have an honest question. If the average big international carrier has better pay, better progression, better benefits, and more of a drastic need for pilots, what would happen if foreign ownership restrictions are relaxed? I read ALPA's piece on it already. However, aren't Singapore, JAL, Asiana, Emirates etc ALREADY under foreign ownership? Meaning, most of us would be happy to have their progression, payscales, etc "imposed" on us. I would think the foreign pilots would be the ones concerned about it, if they do indeed have it that much better than us. Aren't they worried about Delta becoming the underpaid, overworked regional airline, existing to use our cheap labor to fill their 777s and 787s?

The concern is not over foreign carriers (except for cabotage which is a different threat), but more for the concern of a foreign investor being able to own a controlling interest in a US airline. There are many reasons why we should fear this. A few off the top of mind:

-a foreign owner/government may not be compelled to honor our labor laws/contracts
-a foreign owner/government may dismantle our operations and replace it with cheaper labor, crappy mx, etc
-national security is considerably impacted as our CRAF response would be dictated by a foreign owner/government

This is scary stuff and has nothing to do with ALPA or dues money.

GBU-24 10-31-2012 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1285674)
Most insurance policies contain a exclusion for named storms on a high value moveable asset.

It would have fixed the problem...they are worthless anyway except for the scrap.

johnso29 10-31-2012 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1285710)
There are a lot of fine-looking ladies from the Ukraine wanting to chat with me.

Ukraine? You're doing it wrong. The ones that want to talk to me apparently live 2.3 miles away! :D

sailingfun 10-31-2012 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1285766)
Regarding the foreign airlines, I have an honest question. If the average big international carrier has better pay, better progression, better benefits, and more of a drastic need for pilots, what would happen if foreign ownership restrictions are relaxed? I read ALPA's piece on it already. However, aren't Singapore, JAL, Asiana, Emirates etc ALREADY under foreign ownership? Meaning, most of us would be happy to have their progression, payscales, etc "imposed" on us. I would think the foreign pilots would be the ones concerned about it, if they do indeed have it that much better than us. Aren't they worried about Delta becoming the underpaid, overworked regional airline, existing to use our cheap labor to fill their 777s and 787s?

The real answer is that the jobs are not nearly as good as what is posted here and work conditions are in general horrible. There are some good expat jobs but they are not the norm.


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